Author Topic: Pilot or Plane (Read 1091 times)

Oldman731 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 29, 2004, 11:22:00 AM »

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Originally posted by myelo
If I win, it's the pilot.

If I lose, it's the plane.

Heh heh.

Easy to say that it's the pilot, and that's clearly true at the extreme ends of the pilot skill yardstick. In the middle, between average pilots, seems to me that the plane's qualities usually determine the outcome.

- oldman

Estes · « **Reply #16 on:** March 29, 2004, 10:49:08 PM »

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Originally posted by myelo
If I win, it's the pilot.

If I lose, it's the plane.

Thats the truth - or its stupid lag, or joystick not calibrated.

My personal favorite is "****, I was afk"

Eagler · « **Reply #17 on:** March 30, 2004, 05:59:39 AM »

neither - it's pure luck

pwnorris · « **Reply #18 on:** March 30, 2004, 08:19:17 AM »

I think it is that pilot. The plane can help, buit a poor pilot will make similar mistakes regardless of whether he flies a spad or a 262. He just has less time to think about what he's going to do.

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #19 on:** March 30, 2004, 08:26:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
neither - it's pure luck

I'll remember that next time.

Camo

Karnak · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2004, 11:19:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Mister Fork
I also wouldn’t take a Spitfire into a high-altitude fight with a 109 unless I had a decent energy and altitude advantage.

Why? If I'm in the Spit I'd much rather fight the 109 at high altitude than low altitude. My bigger wings and higher critical altitude would give me a better shot up high than down low where the 109's speed is better.

I am thinking Spitfire F.Mk IX vs Bf109G-10 here.

I second what Wilbus said as well, had he not said it I would have.

Furball · « **Reply #21 on:** April 02, 2004, 04:30:16 AM »

I would prefer to take a Spitfire IX over any of the 109 variants at any altitude.

Urchin · « **Reply #22 on:** April 02, 2004, 10:40:50 PM »

Plane is far more important than the pilot, with the caveat that both pilots have to know how to fly their plane.

Shane · « **Reply #23 on:** April 03, 2004, 02:18:04 AM »

so you're saying the pilot *has* to know his plane?

mmmmmkay.

Urchin · « **Reply #24 on:** April 03, 2004, 09:30:55 AM »

Yea. For instance... a P40B can kill an A6M2 in a knife-fight, if the A6M2 pilot has had lots of paint to eat.

But lets take me in a P-40 against some "average" pilot in an A6M2. He knows that his plane accelerates, climbs, and turns better. So, if he can get me to engage, he has won the fight. The only way the P-40 can win such a fight is to fool the A6M2 into a scissors. If the A6M2 pilot is smart enough to employ yo-yo's or even just making 360 degree turns before getting back on the P-40s tail, the P-40 is dead. The relative pilot skills don't matter.

Shane · « **Reply #25 on:** April 03, 2004, 09:41:15 AM »

well urchin, heh, you seem to be arguing the opposite; that the pilot makes all the difference.

Grits · « **Reply #26 on:** April 03, 2004, 11:20:37 AM »

Unless you are in a situation where your plane is lower, slower, turns worse, climbs worse (F4F/109E) than your opponent (A6M5/SpitIX) then the pilot has the most to do with the outcome. Yes the plane is a big part, and flown stupidly (like I usually do) any "uber" plane can be kilt by any other plane.

Ultimately, the intangible in the equasion, the pilot, is what makes all the difference except in the most extreme plane matchups and even then the pilot is a huge factor.

Urchin · « **Reply #27 on:** April 03, 2004, 01:16:07 PM »

No Shane... I am saying plane makes all the difference.

To put it a way you can understand, lets say we fight P-40B vs P-40B in the DA. You might win half, and I win half. Put me in a A6M2 against you in a P-40B, and I will win all, you will win none. Put you in a A6M2 and me in a P-40B, and you will win all, and I will win none.

Furball · « **Reply #28 on:** April 03, 2004, 02:38:20 PM »

that sounds like fight talk!

fight!
fight!
fight!