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Offline Gianlupo

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Number of FW 190D produced
« on: April 14, 2005, 02:10:54 PM »
In the thread "Brown's Dora speed account 453 mph?!" MiloMorai pasted in one of his post part of the review of Hermann's book about the Dora variant. This text reports that «...more than 1,700 examples were completed by the end of the war.» I asked Milo about this statement, and he told me Crumpp posted a document that shows 1826 exemplars of Dora produced, in all the subvariant.
Now, I wasn't able to find Crumpp's post, and all the sources available to me report a total of Dora exemplars produced (taking into account all the subvariat) well below 800 (700 being the most recurring number for D9, while the other subvariants were built in just a bunch of exemplars, mostly prototypes).
I'd really like to see the document posted by Crumpp: can someone help me finding it? Maybe you, MiloMorai, or Crumpp himself? I'm really eager to find out why there's such a huge discrepancy in number.
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2005, 04:14:35 PM »
That number comes from Rodieke's "Focke Wulf Jagdflugzueg".



The discrepancy probably comes from the C-mount which lists a very low number of production FW-190D9's.  

Most likely due to many of the production subcontractors of the FW were state secrets of the Third Reich and do not show up on the document.

Even 60 years later it seems the exposition of "neutral" countries producing LW aircraft causes quite an uproar.

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2005, 04:00:26 AM »
Crumpp,

first of all, thank you for the quick reply to my post:very kind.

Then, the page you posted only made me more curious.
According to it (if my poor english and my pratically non-existing german don't fool me), the official literature, basing, I presume, on official germans documents, always credited the production numbers shown in the left column, while, according to Mr. Rodieke's researches, the real figures are those shown in the right columns.

Now, the question is: what are the new evidences that Rodieke based his researches on? I mean, to take a different way from the mainstream literature, he must have found new documents or hints that the official numbers weren't right; or he must have deduced it somehow from already known documents. Whatever of these ways he followed, I think he explained it in the book: so, please, can you tell how he got to have these new figures?

Finally, another (maybe stupid) question: what is the C-mount?

Thank you again for your patience and your kindness.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2005, 04:13:08 AM »
The C-mount is the "official" register of aircraft recieved by the Luftwaffe.  

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Now, the question is: what are the new evidences that Rodieke based his researches on? I mean, to take a different way from the mainstream literature, he must have found new documents or hints that the official numbers weren't right; or he must have deduced it somehow from already known documents. Whatever of these ways he followed, I think he explained it in the book: so, please, can you tell how he got to have these new figures?


Many of the subcontractors for Focke Wulf and other German aircraft companies were  located inside neutral countries.  Most notably Switzerland and Sweden.  You will not find any aircraft produced by these companies on official RLM or Luftwaffe documents.  They will be part of the company records if they suvived the war.  It was a state secret of the Third Reich that their "neutral" neighbors were making Luftwaffe fighters.

All the best,

Crumpp