Please help--I need my rudders to play AH!

[HelmutLipfert]

Hello,

I just upgraded from CH flight stick and pro pedals (gameport) to USB CH 568combatstick and USB pro pedals. I can install both controllers and they work fine in the windows control manager; but when I try to play AH the pedals work but the joystick doesn't do anything even though it is in the AH joystick list. If I uninstall the rudder pedals the stick works OK in AH. If I then reinstall the rudders the joystick stops working again.

In my older setup I installed both devices as a single joystick ("rudder enabled" in the windows control manager); in the new setup I haven't been able to do this. Is this the problem?

Please help--I need my rudders to play AH!

Thanks,

John

[ChasR]

Use the CH Control manager to combine the controls.  It will appear as CH Control Manager Device 1.  You'll have to select the brakes under AH control and sliders under joystick input and then set input to make the toe brakes work.  If you don't want to use CM, in the AH joystick selection you can select the stick, the desired control, the proper input and set input on all controls and then do the same for the pedals. Sorry I don't have time to really walk you through this.  I'll check back later to see if you still have problems.

[FBScud]

Please give us the complete walk through when you have time!  My CH Pro stick, throttle and rudder pedals (USB) arrive on Monday.  I'd much rather program direct in AH rather than use the CH software.

Thanks in advance for your time!!!

[dracon]

HelmutLipfert & FBScud,

Heya guys!  If I don't make sense then GO HERE: http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/  There are 3 guys there, Michael from CH, Frank "sticky" Church works for CH and the best damn stick man with ANY joystick, and our own "revvin".  These guys can surely help you.

Now here's da deal!  Windows refuses to put the multiple joysticks in the proper order for AH.  It's a USB thing and a PIA.  Most all of us CH guys use the CM 3.0.  If you don't want to that's no big deal but you must determine in what order your sticks are installed.  You can look in either Windows/Control Panel/Game Controller or in the AH Stick settings.  I would bet their in this order: Throttle, Joystick, then Pedals.  Regardles, in the AH mapper your going to have to correct for this in Axis assignments and in button assignements.  See your X & Y axis are assigned to the 1st controller, in this scenario the throttle and not the JStick.  To fix this you have to unassign those axis (X&Y) from the throttle and re-assign them to the JStick.  Then your going to have to unassign the throttle axis from the JStick and re-assign it back to the throttle.  You'll have to reassign all buttons.

CM, the big thing this does is rearranges the Controllers in a manner that AH better understands ie. JStick, Throttle, and Pedals.  In this config AH understands the JStick and auto-magically assigns Axis and buttons.  You would still have to program the Throttle and pedals so really only a bit less work.  The CM manager is super POWERFUL!  For example in AH -2 my mini joystick is turned into a mouse and immulates the Mouse Views.  You can't do that without the CM manager.  Actually I really don't care for Mouse look but you get the prgramabilty idea, right?

I will be more than happy to help as much as you need.  if you don't understand the AH Mapper I simply can't write enough to explain it.  I could send you my current AH profile and will if asked.  That said, almost no one likes anothers profile.  I've tried to use a ton of 'em

Good Luck,

[HelmutLipfert]

Thanks for all the helpful info. I used Map wizard in CH control manager to combine my joystick and pedals. I saved this "map". I don't know what to do next. I closed CH control manager at this point and and checked the windows game controller and they were both still listed seperately and nothing else was listed. I tried AH but had the same problem as before. I'm guessing there is one more important step I must do.

On top of this annoying problem I've found that one of the buttons on my brand new 568 Combatstick is bad. I bought it from 2buystore.com which has a great price but I fear the hassle of a replacement. Can CH send me a new one?

Thanks again,

John

[ChasR]

After you've combined them, hit the download icon.  Then you have to select mapped mode, the right most blue bar with three yellow nodes.  Then it will work.

[dracon]

Huh???

No the download Icon is the 9th ICON over from the left!

Open the folder, 1st ICON on left.  Select your map and click Open.  When it's loaded, hit the download ICON and download it.  It's enabled and will stay loaded through reboots until you load another map.

[ChasR]

Dracon,
I agree download is 9th from left.  Mapped mode is blue bar with nodes which is 14th from left.  For me, CM defaults to direct mode (13th from left) on reboot even if a map is loaded.  If you don't select mapped mode, before you get into aces high, the combined controls won't work.

[HelmutLipfert]

Thanks guys! I would have never figured it out by myself. I did some online flying today and it will take a while to get used to all the new buttons I have. I haven't had any trouble assigning keys and buttons, but when I try to look back with the hat swith the view often shutters or jerks back and forth. I'm not sure if its an electrical contact or software issue. Is there something else I should know?

John

[ChasR]

My guess is that you're pulling back a little to one side, getting exactly between the contacts and making both or alternating contact rapidly between the two.  Happens to me too.

[dracon]

ChasR,

OOPs, sorry misread your 1st post.

HelmutLipfert - Don't worry!  ChasR is right.  After a few days of playing you will do that less and less.  Remember you have an 8 -way hat.  YES, it happens to me too.

Glad you have this sorted!  Enjoy.

Dracon

[DipStick]

Been playing so long with my setup I don't recall how I did it but I have CH USB 568/pedal/throttle and it's all working great. I don't have CH manager installed either. I will upload my settings folder if somebody would want to download it...

[joeblogs]

Any ideas about whether/how I can use my old (ch products) gameport  rudder pedals with these new USB controls?

Has anyonw tried one of these products that jumps from a gameport plug to usb?

-Blogs

[Skuzzy]

You do not need the CH manager in order to use the CH setup in Aces High II.  You just need to map the AH control inputs to the proper axis in the game.

A common error occurs when people calibrate the joystick in the game.  When the panel comes up that tells you to move the sticks, wheels, rudders and so on, DO NOT press the OK button until you have done those operations.

If you have multiple joysticks, you will need to manually configure them.  As an example, I will explain how to correctly setup rudders in Aces High.

Start Aces High and go to the "Offline" option from the clipboard.

1) Press "Setup" from the clipboard.
2) Press "Joystick".
3) Press "Select Joystick"
4) Select "Rudder" from the "AH Control" list.
5) Make sure the rudders are selected in the center section
6) Make sure the "Z-Axis" is selected in the right input section
7) Press the "Set Input" button.

If you loaded any control software for the pedals, make sure it is not loaded when you start Aces High, as Aces High will properly detect the pedals and the software will interfere with proper operations.

The above works for every axis, stick, and/or mode joysticks operate in.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by joeblogs
Any ideas about whether/how I can use my old (ch products) gameport  rudder pedals with these new USB controls?

Has anyonw tried one of these products that jumps from a gameport plug to usb?

-Blogs

You cant use your old gameport pedals with a USB stick.  Some sticks like the MS Sidewinder2 came with an adapter to use either the gameport plug-in or the USB port.  But the only reason this worked was because the Sidewinder2 was a USB stick that could connect either way.  The gameport-designed stuff or "legacy" controllers as CH calls them dont "talk" to the computer the way a USB device does.  CH even states on their website you cannot mix USB with gameport devices.