Author Topic: quitting smoking  (Read 3038 times)

Offline TweetyBird

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1775
quitting smoking
« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2005, 11:05:33 AM »
Laz in regard to the science behind 12 step programs, it would be very politcally incorrect for me to say I believe their success rate is highly inflated. Since its a tent to stow away every substance abuse problem, I think I understand why the figures are inflated.
I think the programs are helpful for people with certain personality disorders that lead to addiction. And well, thats about it. Just my opinion. What good would it be to send a person with bipolar disorder to gambler's anonymous? Yea, they may stop binge gambling, but they would binge something else - you can bet on it.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
quitting smoking
« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2005, 11:13:49 AM »
tweety... their figures may be inflated... that was not my experiance but... inflated or not... they had the best results out there... no one else even came close with their pills and potions.

What "chemical imbalance" are you talking about that causes addiction?  I wasn't aware that the white coat boys had found the cause and cure of addiction.

lazs

Offline TweetyBird

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1775
quitting smoking
« Reply #197 on: February 04, 2005, 12:36:54 PM »
Actually biochemical. A biochemical imbalance is either too much of a neurotransmitter (e.g., Serotonin, dopamine, norpinephrine), not enough of a neurotransmitter, or problems with neuroreceptors (desensitization). These transmitters and receptors are used to carry the information over the synaptic gap (the space between neurones). Many drugs artificially raise the amount of particular neurotransmitters, mimic them, or alter the receptors (e.g., nicotine alters ACh receptors).

A person with a biochemical imbalance could therefore being using certain drugs to bring the balance between receptors and transmitters to normal. Self medicating.

That said, I think the vast majority of addicts are not self medicating. I think the vast majority just like euphoria. But you don't know until you look.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
quitting smoking
« Reply #198 on: February 04, 2005, 02:13:01 PM »
soo... how many addicts have been recovered using drugs to "balance" their chemicals?   What is the sucess rate?

lazs

Offline Furious

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3243
quitting smoking
« Reply #199 on: February 04, 2005, 03:09:42 PM »
Zyban did it for me.


Side note:  Interesting article in last months WIRED about instant (1 day) detox.

Offline TweetyBird

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1775
quitting smoking
« Reply #200 on: February 04, 2005, 06:34:51 PM »
>>how many addicts have been recovered using drugs to "balance" their chemicals? <<

Just the ones masking conditions like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, early alzheimer's, ADD, dimentia, degrees of autism and a few others I forget right now.

These people don't make up the majority of addicts, but that doesn't mean they should be sent to a 12 step program that will be of no help to them.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
quitting smoking
« Reply #201 on: February 05, 2005, 09:01:58 AM »
Tweety...  you are talking about the insane.   Admittedly, drug addiction mimics insanity but... you are talking about drugging out the insane to get them off drugs.  

Not all drugs are bad.   Very few are good tho especially as a lifetime cure.... They all have side effects and cause damage even tho they may prolong life or keep in check some of the worse forms of insanity.

We are not talking about that small little slice of the population tho unless you meant 88 specificaly.... I would have to admit that there is a possibilty that he does suffer from some of the classic insanity symptoms.... paranoia... denial... fantasy world...


lazs