Dial up -vs- DSL

[SgtDibs]

Does dialup make a plane fly slower? At say 40Kbps, the reaction time on firing at flying object requires the gunner to lead the object more. Is there any realtionship to plane speed? If so, how to correct it? DSL is not an option and is not available. Serious answers only please.

[Wilbus]

Dial-up does not make a plane go slower. Nor do you need to lead the plane more or change any gunnery behavior.

AH works in the way that what you see on your FE, usually happens. If you fly and fire at a plane turning infront of you, on your screen you hit him, he gets hit and it gets registrered.

At say 40Kbps, the reaction time on firing at flying object requires the gunner to lead the object more.

Not true, wether you use 19,2 baud rate modem dial-up or a 512kbs xDSL line doesn't matter.

Thus, delay in miliseconds (ms) to the server is not all that important, wether it is 50, 100, 200 or even slightly above that is not of all too much importance. What this shows in a fight is that when you lead an enemy in a deflection shot, and you fire and hit him, if your ping time is WAY up there he might see it as if you can't pull enough to shoot him although in fact you can, some delay.

What does matter is PACKET LOSS, this, you do not want. This is what causes warps, basicly some of the info from the server to you or the other way around (correct me if I am wrong on this) gets lost on the way from one another. Once the packets are re-established the AH finds out that "whops, the plane is actually there, not here as I thought a second ago" and it jumps the plane to that possition.

Airplane speed, is not affected what so ever in any way by your connection. The airplane speed is on your Front End (FE) meaning it is on your computer and is then sent away to the server. Having a slow dial-up connection doesn't slow down your airplane, it's not like the T3 users can press and LA7 to 400mph while the poor guy with the modem trying to run away can't reach more then 350mph.

If you are using a dial up connection, make sure you disable the compression for that connection. Can even slow it down to 19,2 baud rate as AH needs nothing more.

Hope I succeeded in making myself clear enough and that I understood your question.

[Wilbus]

One more thing, might aswell get it straightned out right away as many people who have been in AH for a long time don't even know about it and start whining when it happens.

In a dogfight, twice in just two weeks, I've been accused of "ramming" my enemy.
Last time it happaned me in a Spit 5 vs a Yak were fighting in a knife edge fight, slow speed, I was infront of him when we both scissored, I went left he went right and he passed maybe 10-20 yards behind me and I saw that he lost an aileron.

Now I get a message on channel 200 that tends to piss me off "Spit, please resort from ramming me :-(". (it upsets me just to talk about it )

Now, he was on my 6, there was nothing I could do to avoid a colission. Imagine your self in a car, you're driving along at a 50mph road and the guy behind you runs straight into your rear end at 70mph (20mph above speed limit). After all is done you both stop and he steps out of the car and starts screaming "why da hell did you run into me?!".

Same thing as happens in AH, due to the internet delay (ping times) you may see your adversary slightly missplaced, meaning he may actually be 20 yards closer to you then you think. So while he may hit you (his fault, all colissions where you go down7get dammaged is your fault noone elses) and ram you thus getting dammaged, you don't hit him because on your FE he is actually 10 yards further away.

Hope some of that made sence and that you understood what I ment.

To sum it up. Never whine about a colission, to comment it such as "ouch colission" is fine but never whine about it. It's your fault and noone elses.

[wrag]

OK

This is what SEEMS to happen to me.

I have an external (com port)  U.S. Robotics V92 modem.

Best connect I can get is at 42,666.

The phone lines here are a mess.  DSL is availble just a little ways north of me but not right here.  Neither is cable.

Talked with Skuzzy and this is what I got setup.

Compression is OFF.  Got some other things that need to be set differnet then normal but you might wanna talk with Skuzzy on that.  Set your connect speed to no greater then 38,000 or less. I always get connected at 37,333.

AGAIN check with Skuzzy re your connect setup.

Well enough of that........

In game .........

From time to time the plane i'm engaged with LOOKS like they have NO SHOT and BANG!  >>> This often SEEMS to occur with NO FIRE from the nme plane.  I'm hit and I'm going down.  Yet other times they fire and their shooting goes right where the nose is pointing?????????????  Have even looked at films of the same.  And the films are at times NOT the way I remember it happening because everything looks normal?!?!  

As you can probably guess this makes close fighting difficult!  You never know when someones connect is going to be an issue.  Sometimes it goes nice and smooth and if you lose the fight NP was fun and looked like it should have.  Other times it goes the other way and you're still wondering how they got the shot.  Cause you manuvered to avoid and try for a shot yourself and they NEVER looked like they had a shot!

Is this a case of DSL or CABLE on the ones that appear to have no shot and DIALUP for those where their firing goes where their nose is pointing?  Or vice versa?

When I shoot at nme planes sometimes it looks like the tracers go right through them with NO effect.  This may be a hit sprite thing?  Because sometimes I get a kill on the plane?  Even though it looks like I never hit it?

Also sometimes when I pull the trigger the plane just jumps way outa the way.

Also sometimes the nme plane sorta slides just a little away from where it was and I miss.

All this can be ther result of the other persons connect or yours.

Packet loss is a real killer and their isn't allot you can do about it for anyone because of the savvis.net connections.  We all suffer from that!  Unless the loss is originating at your computer.

HTC is in the process of changing carriers IIRC.  Hopefully this will cure allot of this stuff as I didn't see allot of it, like I do now, in AHI.

All this can also be affected by your Frames Per Second.  When there low, say 25 fps or less, you will not always see what's really happening due to YOUR computer going too slow.

At present IMHO be prepared for some frustration from time to time.

It's still enjoyable but there are some connection issues at this time IMHO.

I didn't SEEM to have, or don't recall having, these problems when I lived where I could get DSL.

[SgtDibs]

O.K. Thanks for the input. What the hell is compression and how do I turn it off?

[Wilbus]

SgtDibs. You have a connection for the dial up right? An icon that you dubble click when you wanna connect to the internet. Go into properties for this connection and you will probarly find modem settings there, you can disable compression there.

Name the connectio AH (or whatever) then make a new connection with compression ON and speeds set to max, use this new connection as a normal internet connection to surf the internet with.

The AH connection should be no faster then 19.2 baud rate IMO, that is what worked best for me back in the days when I had dial up.

What I wrote above with properties may be wrong since it has been more then 5 years since I last touched a dial up modem and can't remember where I set everything up.

Good luck and ask if you need anything.

[Chilli]

Thanks Wilbus and everyone for this thread.  I also, had DSL in the ole AHI days and lived really close to the station (made my connection scream).  Now that DSL is not available in the area I have found that I still get very good gameplay.  

My compression is set to off and I have tried reducing my connection speed and normal speed and both seem to work great for  my dial-up connection.  After reading this I will follow your suggestions and try and monitor noticeable changes in packet loss.

One question, although I have configured my Earthlink properties to no compression, my status still shows between 3 to 9% compression, IS THERE AN INIT STRING COMMAND TO OVERRIDE?   Or will there always be some compression involved?

Oh, by the way SgtDibs, if you were wondering, you can effect your changes to your dial-up connection usually by right clicking on your dial-up icon and clicking the properties tab.  You may then find and button that says "configure".  I reccomend that you actually create a new connection first or at least make a copy of the old one.  You don't want to mess up you original settings by mistake.   If in doubt, ask your ISP to walk you through it over the phone.  It is not all that tricky but always better safe than sorry

[Chilli]

Oh, by the way SgtDibs, if you were wondering, you can effect your changes to your dial-up connection usually by right clicking on your dial-up icon and clicking the properties tab.  You may then find and button that says "configure".  I reccomend that you actually create a new connection first or at least make a copy of the old one.  You don't want to mess up you original settings by mistake.   If in doubt, ask your ISP to walk you through it over the phone.  It is not all that tricky but always better safe than sorry

[Wilbus]

My plessure

As for you still having 3-9% compression is beyond me. Does it affect AH anything that you've noticed?

To check for packet loss enter the dos promt (type "command" from the Run menu) and then type "tracert -n 20 http://www.hitechcreations.com" without the ".

This should show you if there is any packet loss.

I am not sure but I think the http://www.hitechcreations.com address shows the way to the server MA aswell.

[tactic]

I'm on dial-up , The phone lines in the area i live are from the caveman days.  I get a hook up speed of 26,400 or on a good day 28.800.  Funny thing is the 26,400 gets a better ping then the 28,800 99% of the time.   ping usually is around 190 to 225.  



quote:When I shoot at nme planes sometimes it looks like the tracers go right through them with NO effect. This may be a hit sprite thing? Because sometimes I get a kill on the plane? Even though it looks like I never hit it?  <-------- I have experenced this situation though!!

I've never been told I'm warping, (been told I'm warped though).