Author Topic: The Terrorists are winning (Read 584 times)

Xargos · « **on:** August 21, 2005, 05:11:10 AM »

How many more Rights are we going to loose? Next thing you know the government will make us tattoo our SSN on our foreheads.

TSA: Comply or Face Public Humiliation

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) plans to begin collecting even more personal information from air passengers boarding planes. Airline customers will be encouraged, but not required, to participate in the Secure Flight initiative that begins testing this month.

While allowing personal information to be entered into yet another government database is not currently going to be required, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is doing his best to scare travelers into "volunteering" their information.

Chertoff went so far as to tell USA Today that he believes "giving up a little bit of more information protects privacy." He needs to rethink his definition of privacy.

Participating in the Secure Flight program will allow travelers to avoid embarrassing situations where a second search of their belongings is performed, along with additional personal questions, "in the full view of everybody else," Chertoff said -- revealing that the federal government is not above using the fear of embarrassment to get people to comply, while still being able to claim the program is voluntary.

In addition, Chertoff has expressed strong support for a program that would issue identification cards to those travelers who have provided extensive personal information and who are certified as having no terrorist ties or criminal warrants. In essence, he wants to institute a passport for traveling within the United States, a passport that would involve background checks on anyone who wants to save embarrassment or a few minutes at the airport.

He seems to miss the obvious: Terrorists can easily get around background checks, either by maintaining a clean criminal record or by stealing someone else's identity.

The Secure Flight initiative is the second time the TSA has tried to collect more information from airline passengers. The first attempt -- CAPPS II -- was stopped last year over the concern it was too intrusive.

http://www.lp.org/article_175.shtml

Skydancer · « **Reply #1 on:** August 21, 2005, 06:27:19 AM »

Its that ole Big Brother syndrome again!

eagl · « **Reply #2 on:** August 21, 2005, 06:50:23 AM »

Compliance is security! War is Peace! Ignorance is freedom!

cpxxx · « **Reply #3 on:** August 21, 2005, 07:45:39 AM »

You know it there is one good thing to come out of this. Then it's the way it reveals the latent fascism inherent in many people. One suspects a career in the TSA is attractive to people with those tendencies.

Isn't it like the experiment where two sets of college students were divided into 'guards' and 'prisoners'. The guards turned into stormtroopers.

It seems the TSA is going down the same route.

It's a clear warning how much of a delicate flower, freedom really is.

Xargos · « **Reply #4 on:** August 21, 2005, 07:47:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
Its that ole Big Brother syndrome again!

Why are you so affraid of people being able to think for themselves? Big Government is not the solution, it's the problem. Many of us in America are not so lazy as to want the government to tell us what color underwear to wear today.

lazs2 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 21, 2005, 09:20:23 AM »

I quit taking planes... not because I'm arfraid of terrorists... because I hate the security and the feeling of being in an occupied country.

just put on sky marshalls and arm the pilots and call it good.

skyprancer... kinda odd view considering that you were all for the brit cops who wrestled down some poor innocent and shot him 5 times just for chuckles. We aren't to that pint at least.

lazs

AWMac · « **Reply #6 on:** August 21, 2005, 09:24:04 AM »

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Originally posted by eagl
Compliance is security! War is Peace! Ignorance is freedom!

Chickens in the pie pan pickin out dough...

Grandma does the dog bite? "No, Child no..."

pssst... this just out.. Your Goverment Lies...details at 11:00.

Skydancer · « **Reply #7 on:** August 21, 2005, 06:11:32 PM »

Lazs I was wrong on that one. Seems the news we were fed at the time was somewhat erroneous and it looks like some seriously bad errors were made.

You can only go on what you are told at the time.

Sandman · « **Reply #8 on:** August 21, 2005, 06:29:12 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I quit taking planes... not because I'm arfraid of terrorists... because I hate the security and the feeling of being in an occupied country.

just put on sky marshalls and arm the pilots and call it good.

lazs

I'm going to write this slowly, being careful that I don't cause injury to myself.

I agree with Lazs.

whew...

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2005, 06:49:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
Why are you so affraid of people being able to think for themselves? Big Government is not the solution, it's the problem. Many of us in America are not so lazy as to want the government to tell us what color underwear to wear today.

Oh man I completely forgot to check!

Whats todays color??

Vulcan · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2005, 09:55:23 PM »

Question is lazs... where does your path lead?

Which is the lesser of the two evils?

Westy · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2005, 07:43:24 AM »

"Whats todays color??"

Olive drab mixed with areas of flat black.

lazs2 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2005, 07:51:43 AM »

vulcan.. what are you talking about... seems that my path leads away from that not to it.

The lesser of two evils is allways that not only the evil are armed.

lazs

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2005, 08:09:34 AM »

A sky marshall isn't going to pat you down and essentially rape you to ensure you wear your clothes the American way, they'll just down your bellybutton if you try to take over a plane.

A sky marshall will leave everyone's freedom intact and have the ability to take out terrorists when they try to act. The TSA, on the other hand, is raping people of their freedom.

I don't fly anymore, I had one TSA experience and I don't need anymore.
-SW

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 22, 2005, 08:24:38 AM »

exactly... some of you may not believe this but there was a time when people would laugh and joke and get excieted at airports... families would scream and hug and run to each other.... people went around smiling at airports... It didn't take longer to fly from sacramento to la than to drive there.

lazs