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Offline Gunthr

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2000, 09:40:00 PM »
<S> Wobble,
The above post wasn't addressed to me, but I hope you and Ripsnort don't mind if I make a quick comment. I believe you if you say that you were afraid for your life in the incident you describe, but there is one more thing that perhaps you havn't considered.

In most states that I'm aware of, citizens have a "duty to retreat" if possible. If you had shot the other driver who was endangering you, you would have had to have shown that you first attempted to retreat from the situation before resorting to deadly force.

In your scenario, you stopped behind the bad guy, pulled your gun, and sped up to him when you could have simply, prudently, turned around or just waited a bit to let him get way ahead. It would have been easy for a prosecutor in that scenario to portray the person you killed as the victim of road rage.

Incidently, if you havn't first tried to retreat from the situation, and you cannot yet legally use deadly force, it follows that you also cannot pull your weapon and point it at the person unless the use of deadly force is appropriate. Pointing a gun at person when deadly force is not appropriate is a crime known in Florida as AGG ASS, or Aggravated Assault. It's serious.

Just my .02, Wobble. I'd hate to see you get jammed up because you didn't know what actually happens when the smoke clears...
 
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2000, 10:43:00 PM »
Gunther,

I think Wobble was saying he was having to stop then take off as the other driver stopped at the same time. Wobble wasn't starting up and chasing the guy. The other guy wouldn't keep going and stayed with Wobble. I didn't read it like he chased the other guy. It was more like the other driver was stalking him. If he had made a U-turn and the other driver followed him that would have met the retreat aspect of the threatening action defense. It wasn't clear until I read it a couple of times.

It would have scared me. At least it did when it happened to me about 27 years ago in Alabama when I was riding a motorcycle a bit away from Ft. McClellan. At that time my BMW was faster than his old mustang was.

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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2000, 03:43:00 AM »
Mav,
I had a teacher that rode a cycle and he had probs with people messign with him too..

Gunth, Yea I would come to a complete stop and that guy would stop too, the reason i didnt make a U-turn is becasue I wanted to get into town where a cop might see this crap and help, but there was nothing i could do to shake him, I have 4wd but i couldent tell if he did so just blasting off into an empty field didnt seem a viable option,I could also of probably outrun him but i didnt want to be going 90+ with a wacko trying to run me off the road either. I just wanted to be left alone and i was pretty certin that if i stopped there wasnt gonna be much of a chance of getting out of it with talk so I pulled the gun.  And it did the trick, I nice non-violent end to it all.  Which is the goal for anyone I think...accept for that moron.  Some people told me that I should have just stopped and if he attacked me shoot him, I know this would be more clean cut and Lawful (oddly enough) but i have shot someone before (didnt kill) and it is a truely horrid feeling that stays wth you a while and i start shaking whenever i have to talk about it.  I NEVER want to shoot someone again...but I want to live much more.  The main reason I got the permit is because I am young and have a very nice lifestyle I want to keep, and a very nice life I want to keep.  I have gotten really lucky to have the success with money/business/stock that I have had and I am not going to count on luck or anyone else besides myself to ensure that i live long enough to truely enjoy it.  Thats exactly why disarming citizens really gets to me, without guns your life and property are at the will of whosoever wishes to victimize you and You have to depend on someone else to come to the rescue.  That just doesent sit well with me for some reason.

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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2000, 06:30:00 AM »
Ahh, I see..... I had the wrong impression, and I apologise. I guess you had to be there, huh?   But be careful, Wobble. If you shoot another guy, people are gonna start to talk  

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2000, 11:36:00 PM »
Thats one thing I think alot of people dont understand.  Most of the people that carry do so for the ecaxt reason is that they DONT want any conflicts.  I hate fighting, i dont even like to argue, i try my hardest to get along with everyone..but alas there are those who wish to be amazinhunks or are just drunk stoned or whatever else... hell CRAZY and i dont know about anyone else but i sure dont want a crazy person dictating what happens to me, and  if worse comes to worse a gun is the always preasent but seldom needed ACE card that can be played to end a game that should have never started...and i wanna be the one that plays it....for a peacful end hopefully.

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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2000, 10:30:00 AM »
towd looks at ten foot pole and thinks , it just aint long enough