Author Topic: Choppy Framerate (Read 333 times)

Revor · « **on:** June 02, 2006, 01:45:41 PM »

Ever since this patch I've been having very choppy framerate lately. Anyway to resolve it?

Irwink! · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2006, 01:52:02 PM »

Choppy framerate here too - choppy as in three disco's in less than two hours. Of course I have some of the problems others are having too but being constantly discoed is hard to compensate for. Are we sure this isn't the alpha version? I find it hard to believe it wasn't debugged better than this pre-release. BTW, I very rarely had a disco prior to this. Coincidence?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2006, 04:41:47 PM »

Need some compter specs folks. A DXDIAG output would be really helpful here.

Irwink! · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2006, 08:59:01 AM »

Skuzzy - here's the dxdiag from my machine. Just FYI, using Windows driver update service I did search for a newer version for the dsplay adaptor. The one I have is the most up to date - According to the Windows driver locator. I haven't searched beyond that but have had no problems prior to the new version. After first post yesterday got discoed probably a total of a dozen times. Did a pathping to your server - 13 hops - seemed okay. Did a ping -t for awhile and packet time was avg 47ms, 0 lost. Have manipulated in-game video settings with no apparent result. Will try to go to MA again this morning. Maybe the gremlins aren't awake yet!

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System Information
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Time of this report: 6/2/2006, 21:19:51
Machine name: KENTSPC
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
System Model: DQ177A-ABA a450n
BIOS: BIOS Date: 02/04/04 20:46:00 Ver: 08.00.09
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 327MB used, 2137MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found. Direct3D 7 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 8 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 9 test results: All tests were successful.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce FX 5200
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_02FB1043&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.4528 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/19/2003 05:56:00, 3920971 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 8/19/2003 05:56:00, 1343803 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4062-11CF-4362-F12200C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0322
SubSys ID: 0x02FB1043
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFilteri ng
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
{212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFilteri ng
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
{212DC722-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFilteri ng
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: All tests were successful.
D3D8 Test Result: All tests were successful.
D3D9 Test Result: All tests were successful.

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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24D5&SUBSYS_80951043&REV_02
Manufacturer ID: 65535
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5730 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 10/1/2004 11:24:02, 2279424 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 33, 32
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 33, 32
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5730 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 10/1/2004 11:24:02, 2279424 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
Realtek AC97 Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x1
Vendor/Product ID: 0x045E, 0x001B
FF Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\swpdflt2.dll
FF Driver Date: 8/18/2001 01:36:32
FF Driver Version: 4.05.2600.0000
FF Driver Size: 10240 bytes

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x24D2
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 4736 bytes
|
+-+ Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x045E, 0x001B
| | Location: SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick
| | Matching Device ID: usb\vid_045e&pid_001b
| | Lower Filters: SWUSBFLT
| | Service: HidUsb
| | OEMData: 03 00 08 10 08 00 00 00
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 36224 bytes
| | Driver: hidparse.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 24960 bytes
| | Driver: hid.dll, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 20992 bytes
| | Driver: swpdflt2.dll, 8/18/2001 01:36:32, 10240 bytes
| | Driver: SWUSBFLT.SYS, 8/17/2001 17:02:56, 3968 bytes
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 9600 bytes
| |
| +-+ Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x045E, 0x001B
| | | Matching Device ID: hid\vid_045e&pid_001b
| | | Service: GcKernel
| | | OEMData: 03 00 08 10 08 00 00 00
| | |
| | +-+ Microsoft SideWinder Virtual Keyboard
| | | | Matching Device ID: swvbenum\sidewindervirtualkeyboard
| | | | Service: HIDSwvd
| | | | Driver: HIDSwvd.sys, 8/17/2001 17:02:50, 2688 bytes
| | | |
| | | +-+ HID Keyboard Device
| | | | | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| | | | | Service: kbdhid
| | | | | Driver: kbdhid.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 14848 bytes
| | | | | Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 08:00:00, 24576 bytes

Flatbar · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2006, 10:36:00 AM »

IIRC, the 5xxx series of vid cards needs to use an older driver. I think Skuzzy said a 61.xx driver was needed for those cards.

I'm not able to search the forums ATM, but doing a search would be your best bet.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2006, 11:50:12 AM »

the 5200 card is a huge bottleneck in your pc ...(does it even have a cooling fan on it?)

try turning your video settings down in the game also

this right here
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)

is straining that card beyond its limits while your in the game .

are you trying to run hires too ?

Irwink! · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2006, 02:21:05 PM »

The biggest problem I had yesterday was being discoed. Maybe coincidence that it happened with the new software. I don't know. It had never happened with that frequency before. Maybe 3 times in two months. At any rate, after several hours in MA today, no disco's at all. The only lack of performance that I see is the frame rate - in the 40's range. It was a tad better before as I recall but I don't often look. Playability is all that matters to me. And no this card does not have a fan. I'm thinking about a new card. I don't need too much of a push. Any reason for a new techno toy is reason enough! Thanks for the input. I know you guys are trying. I think allot of heads are cooler today, including mine.

Krusty · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2006, 05:11:00 PM »

My personal theory is that the trees are causing the choppy frames. They look like they pop in then fade to normal, even at 10,000 feet. I think they're taking the time to render each one fading in or something, even if you're WAY the heck out of range.

Would it be possible to tweak the code so that the trees don't fade in unless you're in a GV?

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2006, 06:17:24 PM »

Could be. They did say they changed it so that it wouldnt pop in suddenly, it was supposed to reduce the framerate hit from the trees and other ground clutter popping suddenly into view.

I have to agree though, every bit of strain you put on that card is going to make your fps worse. Whether it worked before or not is a moot point. It doesnt work now. Reduce your resolution (at least ingame) and increase the refresh rate on the lower resolution setting. You should also make sure you arent preloading anything except to system memory. Also, try a lower max texture size if you are using a larger one (ie if you are at 512 now, try using 256).

If there is a coding problem, they'll find it and fix it. In the meantime, reducing the load on your card as much as possible should help you keep flying.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2006, 05:02:53 PM »

Irwinkk, the driver you have loaded is a very old driver with a lot of known issues. You need to go to Nvidia's siete (http://www.nvidia.com) and grab the 61.77 drivers.

DO NOT use the latest drivers with your video card. It will cause problems. The 61.77 drivers can be found on in the archive section of the downloads page.