Rink Rage

[Octavius]

Originally posted by mrfish:
he went wrong trying to say it was self defense and saying all the little things like "he had my arms" etc.

he should just own up and say the guy was asking for it - because he was. he got in the guy's face - when you do that you take your chances and everyone knows that.

i think the jury would respond to it and if not at least he'd go down like a man not trying to act like a victim.

But did he have to go as far as taking a man's life?  He lost it, and he should accept the consequences.  Sure, they could have had a good box to let out some steam, but the guy went too far.

[aknimitz]

Octavious, what you are saying is totally contradictory.  Let them have a good box to let off some steam?  And what happens when the "bigger" guy punches the smaller guy and causes an artery to rupture in teh back of his neck (freakish, but happens, happened in this case).  Or hell, so he punches at him and misses hitting him in the throat collapsing his windpipe/cutting off air?  All because you say its ok to let 'em have a box?  

Wulfe, that ifnormation about the head pounding came from the victom?  hehe - nope, he's dead.  It definitely did not come from the accused.  It came from one of the witnesses who has changed their stories so many times they dont even know which way is up.  Emotion, memory, pressure, stress ... all these things play into the recantation of facts.  This case is going to boil down to who was more credible on the stand, who did the jury find more believable.  I think the dad wins on that ground.

Nim

[mrfish]

i think he should serve a few years for involuntary manslaughter.

it was a risk he shouldve known he was taking when he started whoopin on that guy so he has to be responsible to some degree.

he should just face up quit trying to get off scott free.

that looks pathetic - i mean what did he expect? no punishment? did he go into it not knowing the consequences? if so then he taught his son nothing.

his actions (issuing a proper asswhoopin), were justified, but he rolled the dice and the guy came up dead. if that happens then some price must be paid.

even if he was right, the guy is still dead so he must do at least some time.

the least he could do is go sit down and do his time like a man and quit trying to fight it. its only right. he owes that time to get right.

as for that dead fool...people out there are ruthless, you gotta have that in mind before you decide to start in with someone, the lil guy should have known that but he sounds like an bellybutton that was encouraging violence and hollow toughery anyway -

people start toejam like they are action heroes, like its a game, but you arent invincible and i have enough scars and crooked fingers to have learned this the hard way and lived - that dead guy apparantly didnt.

3 years is fair with potential for parole after 1/3 or 2/3 of his term if he is behaved. something like that.

imo

[Tumor]

Originally posted by aknimitz:
SWulfe, is that undisputed?  Or is that testimony from one of the eyewitnesses that also states he "he picked her up and threw her against a concrete wall" yeter suffered no bruises or scratches from it?

  It just my opinion, which is based on sketchy evidence but from what I have seen I would guess what we have here is your typical amazinhunk with more brawn than brain who most likely spent the majority of this HS and younger years being the tough-guy around town. I'd also be willing to bet this clown has kicked more than his fair share of butts over a number of years.  Besides...he killed the guy.  Nobody deserves to die for mouthing off, or throwing the first punch even, thats ridiculous.  How can you be "Life threatening" even with a Hockey stick to a guy who wieghs 270?  Also, there are very few fist-fights where people die. The human body, especially one dressed up in a Hockey outfit is not THAT frail. This got out of hand...big tough he-man got out of hand, and I hope they burn him at the stake as an example to the rest of "those".

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[Eagler]

creamo hit it on the head ...

civilized ppl let the lawyers throw the blows now a days, uncivilized ppl need to meet bubba and his squeakes ...

[batdog]

Well actually I think Creamo's post kind of reflects whats WRONG w/America. We handle EVERYTHING vie lawyers. Yahoo's mouth off, threaten, talk trash etc w/impunity and if you touch them..law suit. They do this and KNOW there will be little to NO chance of consquences. To me the lawyers often shield cowards and loud mouth losers who could most likely use a good bellybutton beating.

 xBAT

P.S. I am not in ANYWAY saying Creamo or anybody else in this post is a "coward" or a "loser". I dont KNOW any of you and I'd have to be around you gents in something other than a silly vid game...lol.  

[ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: batdog ]

[AKSWulfe]

I know the victim is dead. I meant it very well could of come from the guy who is on trial. But I dunno, like I said, it was just something I heard... and it was from FOX nonetheless.
-SW

[aknimitz]

OK, involuntary MS with a sentence likely to be around 3-5 years, out in 18 mos for first time offender and good behavior.  This is far IMHO.

Nim

errr, in case this wasnt clear, this was the verdict handed out yesterday.