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Offline FiLtH

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« on: August 25, 2006, 11:21:52 PM »
bout says it

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 12:32:14 AM »
:rolleyes: What are you talking about.  The Hurri I vs the Emil is one of the best mathchups.  I had a good 10-12 minute fight with weapon tonight.  He stayed fast and I didn't give him a shot.  It took a couple of 202s that came in fast to end it.

Hey weapon, if you're out there, good fight,  terrible warps on the film but good fight.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2006, 12:43:03 AM »
wow and if easy lived for 10 minutes in a fight the setup was better than good.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2006, 06:14:01 AM »
actually, the hurriI's vs JU88s are a bad matchup.
I guess that's what the hurrIIs are for.  

202 vs hurrI's are a good matchup. the 109E's are very fast compared to the hurrI's and the hurrI's can't kill or catch a ju88 effectively.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2006, 10:10:17 AM »
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actually, the hurriI's vs JU88s are a bad matchup.
I guess that's what the hurrIIs are for.  

  202 vs hurrI's are a good matchup. the 109E's are very fast compared to the hurrI's and the hurrI's can't kill or catch a ju88 effectively.



  Yes Hurris chassing 88s are tuff, but not un manageable.  Many 88s were shot down.  The Bostons have the the difficulty and speed advantage as far as the 190Es trying to shoot them down.

   the 202 has many advantages over the 109E, if you think the 202 vs a hurri is a good match then you will have no problem with the 109Es.  The 109E vs the Hurricanse I think is the best match.  neither one outmatches the other in every given situation.  In fact my flight lost about 8 109s to huricanes before getting any of them becasue of that.

    The 202s will run allover the huricane by comparison.

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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2006, 10:52:52 AM »
Easy, I was riding with Weapon during all that... great fight indeed! He doesn't visit the BBS anymore, but I'll pass along your comment.

It was funny, cuz he hates 109s. You should see him in a 190. :)
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2006, 11:11:23 AM »
109E rules a Hurricane Mk1 given equal pilot skill. IMO.
C202 rules a Hurricane Mk2 "                                       ".
Ju88 is a MUCH more capable bomber than the Boston, it carries more than double the ordanance and double the defensive armament.

I get what FiLtH is sayin' for sure.

That said, it's still been uber fun.:aok
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2006, 07:49:59 PM »
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109E rules a Hurricane Mk1 given equal pilot skill. IMO.
 
It gets down to who makes the first mistake.  I lost SA and paid for it when I saw one of the 202s and mistook the icon for weapons' 109.  At that point it could just as easily have been weapon putting bullets into me.

The 202s are in some ways better then the Emils but can be handled by organized squads if they know where they are and work them together. Same for 1v1.  The Bostons are probably the most frustrating opponent because of the smart way they're flown.  Your only chance against them is if they get greedy and turn fight with you.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2006, 09:45:44 AM »
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109E rules a Hurricane Mk1 given equal pilot skill. IMO.
C202 rules a Hurricane Mk2 "                                       ".
Ju88 is a MUCH more capable bomber than the Boston, it carries more than double the ordanance and double the defensive armament.

I get what FiLtH is sayin' for sure.

That said, it's still been uber fun.:aok



   That depends on how you rank your bombers, yes the 88 carries more, and "defensive" guns might have more but coverage sucks.  Not that the boston has better coverage but most angels yo only hav one gun on your attacker, so defensive guns on both are lacking.  However, the bostons a much faster some 30mph in alot of cases, and it has 4 forward firing guns instead of one.  it actually has the ability to boom and zoom fighters because it outruns all the fighters as well.

    If you you evaluate based on payload, yes 88 is better.  the 88 can also dive like crazy where the bostson can not.  But the boston has much beter performance in the air.

    So I guess it depends on how you look at the and what tactics you are using.  I would put them as trade offs, but give the 88 a slight edge because of the addition payload since it is after all suppose to bomb stuff.  Though with the speed of the boston Huricans could not touch the unless they had 10k on them and even then they whould probably only get one pass.

    As fare as the 109E vs the hurrican, 109 has it below 15k, at 15k the 109 has good speed advantage over the hurri so BZ tactics apply, lower the advantage demishes a bit but the 109 still has a speed advatage and vertical advantage.  In the hands of the right pilot who understands the angels of the 109 below 15k the hurri has a really tough time.  up high though, the hurris can ofset alot of that and handels easier comapired to 109E.



    Really it depends on the pilots and tactical situation.  Alot of 109 pilots paid a heavy price in the last frame.  Numbers were a contributing factor too, but thats another thread.

    I would have to agree the 202 rules though.  Pretty much the 262 of the era in this arena.  Gota love the guns on that Hurri2 thought, get near them and bye bye.  Would still take the 202 if I had a choice.  Survival first, firepower is nothing if you are dead.

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2006, 10:59:56 AM »
Well... I know why I signed up my squad to fly Axis this time. ;)
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