Author Topic: Conservatives Are You There? (Read 856 times)

bj229r · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2007, 08:07:40 PM »

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Originally posted by crowMAW
I think both Mitt and McCain are both Goldwater Republicans at heart...however, they have had to publicly flip-flop on some personal freedom issues to appease the Religious Right...whereas Goldwater refused to cave.

Name ANYthing McCain has ever done that can be considered "right", other than lukewarm support of the war--(He was even against the Bush tax cuts!) on the other hand, all the stuff he has done to ingratiate himself to the fawning media would only appeal to country-club Republicans at best

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2007, 08:43:47 AM »

mt.. you are living in a fantasy world.. then, as now.. the democrats voted along party lines. The democrats voted along with the "dixiecrats".

So how would you explain the dixiecrats? was it because the republicans were introducing so much equal rights legeslation?

And what was the result? the democrats not only seen the writing on the wall but they went over the top... they seen a huge amount of new voters that could be duped... the black vote now existed.. they seen the pent up anger and fed on it with all sorts of extra rights bills. they are still doing it.. buying votes by trashing the constitution and making race based laws.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2007, 09:58:10 AM »

If the democrats voted along with the dixiecrats on everything why did we have Strom Thurmond running as a third party candidate?

Quit making stuff up and calling it history.

Hap · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2007, 02:50:27 PM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
that can be considered "right"

You know, I've never read the The Federalist Papers. That's a good starting point.

Action from principal v expediency is always a bug-bear as CrowMAW pointed out.

Ingnorance is a bit of a prob too especially in a day and age when "personalities" -- fill in the blank with the name of the guy who's thinking and opinon you parrot, if you do -- versus "principles" which are far superior measuring sticks to anyone raking in millions pandering what what's worst in us.

I need something worthwhile to read at work during lunch. Madison and Hamilton it is!

Take Care Guys,

hap

lukster · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2007, 07:56:55 PM »

Ya know, calling folks parrots ain't exactly original thinking either Hap. Enjoy your reading.

AWMac · « **Reply #20 on:** March 05, 2007, 08:04:28 PM »

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"Daddy can ya take me back to Muhlenberg County, down by the Green River, where paradise lays?
I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in askin, Mr's Peabody's coal train has hauled it ...away"

Man I loved this song..*givin away my age now...*

Well, sometimes we'd travel right down the Green River
To the abandoned old prison down by Airdrie Hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we'd shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill.

~sigh~

Memories

Mac

bj229r · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2007, 08:08:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Hap
You know, I've never read the The Federalist Papers. That's a good starting point.

Action from principal v expediency is always a bug-bear as CrowMAW pointed out.

Ingnorance is a bit of a prob too especially in a day and age when "personalities" -- fill in the blank with the name of the guy who's thinking and opinon you parrot, if you do -- versus "principles" which are far superior measuring sticks to anyone raking in millions pandering what what's worst in us.

I need something worthwhile to read at work during lunch. Madison and Hamilton it is!

Take Care Guys,

hap

Im gonna go out on a limb and say McCain isn't on a first-name basis with the Federalist papers either, else he wouldn't have penned 'campaign finance reform'

bj229r · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2007, 08:27:03 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
Man I loved this song..*givin away my age now...*

Well, sometimes we'd travel right down the Green River
To the abandoned old prison down by Airdrie Hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we'd shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill.

~sigh~

Memories

Mac

I had HEARD of John Prine...thought him some sort of acoustic blues artist until my oldest bud in the world turned me onto him one night while visiting him in FLA--copied the 2 disc 'best-of' cd, have listened to it a million times since.

"Sam Stone came home,
To his wife and family
After serving in the conflict overseas.
And the time that he served,
Had shattered all his nerves,
And left a little shrapnel in his knee.
But the morphine eased the pain,
And the grass grew round his brain,
And gave him all the confidence he lacked,
With a purple heart and a monkey on his back.

(Chorus)
Theres a hole in daddys arm where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin I suppose.
Little pitchers have big ears,
Dont stop to count the years,
Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios.
Mmm....

Sam Stones welcome home
Didnt last too long.
He went to work when hed spent his last dime
And sammy took to stealing
When he got that empty feeling
For a hundred dollar habit without overtime.
And the gold rolled through his veins
Like a thousand railroad trains,
And eased his mind in the hours that he chose,
While the kids ran around wearin other peoples clothes..."

Aside from a particular song by Gram Parsons, one of the most poignant songs Ive ever heard....and this from a guy who has every Black Sabbath album ever made:eek:

Hap · « **Reply #23 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:30:41 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Ya know, calling folks parrots ain't exactly original thinking either Hap. Enjoy your reading.

I hope not Lukster "if" they be parrots as I stated above. I strove for truthfulness and accuracy.

As to "originality" generally,

original

• adjective 1 existing from the beginning; first or earliest. 2 produced first-hand; not a copy. 3 inventive or novel.

• noun the earliest form of something, from which copies can be made.

it specifically and certainly does not describe me.

And thanks, the reading went well. Didn't get very far though. But I did run across something that granted a little comfort in these fractious times.

Hamilton in #1, "nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties."

A weak comfort no doubt, but it seems that rancor is not a 20th to 21st century invention. It's when you read it in context considering the seriousness of the times and painstaking deliberation and the men to whom we owe so much.

Regards,

hap

bj229r · « **Reply #24 on:** March 06, 2007, 06:28:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Hap
I hope not Lukster "if" they be parrots as I stated above. I strove for truthfulness and accuracy.

As to "originality" generally,

original

• adjective 1 existing from the beginning; first or earliest. 2 produced first-hand; not a copy. 3 inventive or novel.

• noun the earliest form of something, from which copies can be made.

it specifically and certainly does not describe me.

And thanks, the reading went well. Didn't get very far though. But I did run across something that granted a little comfort in these fractious times.

Hamilton in #1, "nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties."

A weak comfort no doubt, but it seems that rancor is not a 20th to 21st century invention. It's when you read it in context considering the seriousness of the times and painstaking deliberation and the men to whom we owe so much.

Regards,

hap

William Safire wrote a great novel called 'Scandalmonger', which goes into great detail the norms for politics in the days of the afore-mentioned Hamilton--great read. Brb, gotta go check Drudge, Rush, and Newsmax websights so I'll know what to say next:noid

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 06, 2007, 07:58:02 AM »

mt... making stuff up? where were you when the democrats had their convention in 68? Was that a bunch of neocons and KKK guys that rioted? I can see where, to someone who only goes back a few decades I may be seen to be making things up tho.

Hubert Humphrey was the best democrat that ever ran. He would be pilloried as a "neocon" conservative by your democrat heroes of today.

In fact.. I would vote for someone who had his platform today over most of the republicans who are running.

If you can't see how the democrats have shifted even more than the republicans then you are very short sighted indeed.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #26 on:** March 06, 2007, 08:05:34 AM »

Oh come on.

I never said Humphry wasn't conservative, for that matter so was Kennedy. You said the democrats and the dixiecrats always voted together. Why would you argue a completely different subject when I call you on it?

Also .... you're only 5-6 years older than me. While that is gawdawful old it is not outside my frame of reference.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 06, 2007, 08:23:30 AM »

this is getting confusing... are you admitting that conservatives always vote for equal human rights and that humphrey (who did not get his parties nomination by the way) was conservative even by todays standards?

There were disenters in the democrat ranks.. if was a very fractured party as you recall with a lot of democrats voting with the dixiecrats. Very few Republicans did.

The split came when the democrats decided that the jig was up (no pun intended) and seen that the republicans had created a powerful voting block in the newly empowered negro. They then pandered to the colored vote in what has become the now classic democrat style.. create victims and feed their anger and then promise them "extra rights" that they deserve because everyone had been so mean to em in the past... pure socialism at work.. the democratic party and socialist victims fit like a hand and glove. In this case.. the glove fits you can't aquit.

I would not say that Kennedy was conservative by his days standards. I would have a tough time voting for him. the only reason to keep him around would have been to keep LBJ, the third worst president of all time, from getting in power.

To me the democrat party is total scum... much worse than the republicans who are only about half as bad and half as much a threat to the country.

I would like to see a return to conservatism... not an endless debate on birth control or sexual morals... I don't need one side trying to tax me to death and disarm me and the other trying to regulate my entertainment and sex.

That is not a choice of parties.. that is the very worst example of "lesser of two evils"

The democrats and the republicans are both in a race to see who can make up the most laws and take away the most freedoms... the democrats are way ahead but... The republican are trying.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #28 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:14:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Hap
it seems that rancor is not a 20th to 21st century invention.
hap

You do realize how Hamilton died, right?

Seen anyone challenge someone else to a duel to the death or beat another legislator with a cane in the Senate lately?

THAT was rancor; what we have is little boys pretending to be men.

midnight Target · « **Reply #29 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:20:28 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
this is getting confusing...
lazs

It sure is.... I disagree with one thing you wrote and you post 12 paragraphs on everything but that issue. LOL. Someone is confused.... I think it's you.