Author Topic: Ok, here I am again... (Read 771 times)

RAM · « **on:** October 30, 2000, 03:26:00 PM »

Well ,last part of the "modernized" PC is here. The Geforce2 card (winfast Geforce2 MX) that I wanted,finally arrived to the shop, and I put it in the pc this morning...

But...how not, there is a problem. I get a lot of screen shudders, in 32 bit mode any game is next to unplayable and in 16 bits there are some of them, not nearly as many of them but still to disturb the attention.

I have tried the latest drivers for the card ,and the reference drivers from Nvidia...but the problem is still there, I have Vsync on, and have tried disabling in BIOS the AGPx4, for no effect.

The shudders are there to stay

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Any hints? thanks.

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Vulcan · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2000, 04:50:00 PM »

Got an Asus Geforce 2MX here RAM, no problems. I run it at 1600x1200x16 on a Asus P3V4X motherboard with a PIII-600EB (133 FSB).

Runs fine, chokes a bit in the smoke, but in general I get around 50fps in normal flight.

I tried 4X and my machine became an unstable fishing-weight - went back to 2X and its smooth as, no issues.

If you have turned 4X on I think you have to download a patch to Windows to turn it off.

NUTTZ · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2000, 05:41:00 PM »

Vulcan, a few questions, if you don't mind...

I have the same mother board and chip your using ( i really like it) I did use a 7200 rmp HD (80 pin) to utilize the ATA on the momboard. I find the machine really fast and stable.

The Gforce card i'm using is Asus also, v6600 I believe. The frame rates are great 60-80 in 1200X780? 32bit ( setting above 800x600) I notice a "studder" while doing barrel roles looking forward, althou frame rates are still in the 70 range. I have my desktop and res in AH the same. In the momboard i have the AGP set to 4X, what would be the difference if i set this to 2X and also there are 2 setting in the bios for the shadowing UC and another one. Could you explain what the difference is?

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Lephturn · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2000, 06:21:00 PM »

Just in case...
http://www.maximumpc.com/content/2000/10/30/12123

You guys aren't using 2k are ya? Anyway, just FYI.

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bloom25 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2000, 06:32:00 PM »

Here's something interesting for both of you to try. Play the game offline, does it still studder? If it does, remove the connection icon on the taskbar. (I know it sounds silly, but trust me, it works!) Go to my computer, dial-up networking, go the the connection menu, pick settings, uncheck the box marked like "Show icon on taskbar when connected." This can make a big difference.

Another thing, AGP 2x will likely be just as fast for 99.9% of games as AGP 4x, the video card couldn't handle the higher bandwidth anyway. Usually there is a bios option or jumper (either on MB or video card) to go to AGP 2x. On Via chipset MBs this is VERY important if you want a stable system. RAM, I'd also check to be sure you disabled sidebanding and fastwrites.

I just built a system for someone else using the Asus A7V mb with Asus v7700 Geforce 2 MX video card. The drivers that came on the CD, 5.33a, work great in AH. I'd also recommend reinstalling DX 7a after changing video card drivers and having problems.

Let me know if you still can't get it working.

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RAM · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2000, 05:33:00 AM »

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Originally posted by bloom25:
Here's something interesting for both of you to try. Play the game offline, does it still studder? If it does, remove the connection icon on the taskbar. (I know it sounds silly, but trust me, it works!) Go to my computer, dial-up networking, go the the connection menu, pick settings, uncheck the box marked like "Show icon on taskbar when connected." This can make a big difference.

Offline I get the same problems

Another thing, AGP 2x will likely be just as fast for 99.9% of games as AGP 4x, the video card couldn't handle the higher bandwidth anyway. Usually there is a bios option or jumper (either on MB or video card) to go to AGP 2x. On Via chipset MBs this is VERY important if you want a stable system. RAM, I'd also check to be sure you disabled sidebanding and fastwrites.

Tried disabling the x4 AGP in BIOS, same problem, BTW bloom, how do I disable sideband and fastwrite? (whats that?

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I just built a system for someone else using the Asus A7V mb with Asus v7700 Geforce 2 MX video card. The drivers that came on the CD, 5.33a, work great in AH. I'd also recommend reinstalling DX 7a after changing video card drivers and having problems.

yeppes, did it too. Same problem

Hajo · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2000, 09:45:00 AM »

OK.....some thoughts on video performance. If you are using a new GeForce card and your processor is under 500mhz, your new video card will be waiting on the processor. Secondly, when your system boots up, check your system resources, if you're running windows,what is showing in the tray, many of the things that rob system resources are booting up when you start your PC and you don't even know it! Here is how to check, and deleted un-needed programs that run in the background and rob system resourses causing your PC to run slower. If you have windows 98 and ME do this, go to your start menu, select RUN, and type MSCONFIG. This gives you the ability to "uncheck" any applets that are not needed! However there are two applets that one should not definately disable, ScanRegistry, and TaskMonitor, these are essential for the OS to perform . Now, you can look at the list and see which ones are "checked", you can "uncheck" the ones you don't need, and if you are unsure, leave them be. You can trim the obivious "fat" and if you want, try disabling the questionable ones one by one, if you have trouble rebooting, you can always go back and enable it. This trims a lot of useless programs running in the background that robs your system resources. Hope this helps.

Not having enought system resources free can cause video problems, a rule of thumb I use is that I must have at least 86% of the system resources free to be able to run graphics intensive games such as Aces High.

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LuckyDay · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2000, 01:50:00 PM »

For more information you can check the Hardware and Software forum at AGW - although it is obviously geared toward *another* game , the fixes they suggest for the GeForce2 I would think would be effective on this game as well, as the problem seems similar and the games share a heritage.

There are several posts regarding the GeForce2. Most suggest getting a program called Powerstrip to do the video card tweaking.

FWIW, my dad had similar problems with a GeForce2, finally bought a Voodoo5 instead and loves it. The FSAA makes AH look outstanding!

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bloom25 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2000, 06:37:00 PM »

RAM, what MB and CPU do you have? Can you give me a complete list of system information? (Bios version you are currently using for the MB would be useful as well.)

Fastwrites and sidebanding can be located in a couple places. First of all the video card drivers probably has a settings menu.
Also in the bios you may have the option to disable sidebanding. (Mine does.)

To help you much more we need to know what MB and CPU, etc, you have.

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RAM · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2000, 01:06:00 PM »

MoBo: Aopen AK33
CPU: K7 600MHZ
(I will take a look into the bios version a bit later (I'm online for a second only

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I am with the BAnshee right now, as the shudders are unstoppable. I asked in the shop to the Video card to be replaced, and they agreed...but there is none in stock right now and I am waiting for a new one to arrive.

Will tell you more when the new one arrives. Hope it was only a hardware thing...

RAM · « **Reply #10 on:** November 09, 2000, 07:31:00 AM »

Ok, video card reinstalled, same problems. So the problem is my hardware not the card itself.

Bloom, my MoBo bios version is:

Award BIOS v6.00PG

Please mail me (Personal reasons make me want to stay away from this board)

ebringas@airtel.net

Thanks.

bloom25 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2000, 07:53:00 PM »

RAM, I realize you won't respond to this, so I will e-mail you as well. Your AK33 uses the same chipset as my motherboard (Asus A7V). Specifically it uses the VIA KT133 chipset.

VIA chipsets require the use of specific drivers made by them. When your computer was built they probably (hopefully) loaded the VIA drivers to make it work properly. In your case I'd recommend updating the AGP (and possibly the INF) drivers to the newest version available. (Go to www.viahardware.com and in the lower left corner you will find the link.) The newest AGP driver version is 4.03e. The INF is I believe 1.02b.) Hopefully this will solve your problem. Do not install the INF driver unless the AGP driver fails to fix the problem. (It isn't neccesary if you have Win98SE or newer.) When installing the AGP driver, pick "Turbo Mode" if you can. (This will make your GeForce happy.

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I hope to see you back in AH someday.

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