Large monitor /tv LCD

[38ruk]

Hey guys , i'm looking at  37 or 42 inch lcd's and am wondering what to look for in a tv/monitor . I know response times and contrast ratio are important , but what about native resolution , and or 780p VS 1080p? It seem the average response times are 8ms on the sets i'm looking at , will that be too slow ie: cause ghosting? I understant that 1080p is a higher res , but is there a big difference over 780p?  Thx to anyone that can help

[Nemeth]

no, unless your videocard has HDMI output, but ive been told (not too sure if this is true) you have to be a trained artist to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, there is a noticable difference between 720p and 1080i on the otherhand (720p is better)

but a week ago in the tigerdirect.ca catalogue, there was a (19' i belive) with a 2ms responce time and 10000:1 contrast ratio (or 8000:1)

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by 38ruk
Hey guys , i'm looking at  37 or 42 inch lcd's and am wondering what to look for in a tv/monitor . I know response times and contrast ratio are important , but what about native resolution , and or 780p VS 1080p? It seem the average response times are 8ms on the sets i'm looking at , will that be too slow ie: cause ghosting? I understant that 1080p is a higher res , but is there a big difference over 780p?  Thx to anyone that can help

There is definitely a big difference @ 1980x1080p (higher resolution = more pixels) in larger screens but I don't know much bout smaller ones. I have 42" and 50" 720p displays in addition to my primary 58" 1080p.  This is a great article on 1080p-

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/feature-article-1080p-3-2007-part-1.html

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by Nemeth
no, unless your videocard has HDMI output, but ive been told (not too sure if this is true) you have to be a trained artist to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, there is a noticable difference between 720p and 1080i on the otherhand (720p is better)

but a week ago in the tigerdirect.ca catalogue, there was a (19' i belive) with a 2ms responce time and 10000:1 contrast ratio (or 8000:1)

HDMI has no video advantage over DVI until sources/displays start taking advantage of 10 bit color with the new HDMI 1.3 spec.  A high quality inexpensive DVI-->HDMI cable can be found at Monoprice.com.

[Skuzzy]

DVI is the video subcomponent of HDMI.  HDMI can carry audio, DVI cannot.

But, not all DVI signals are created equal. Some TV's with HDMI or DVI inputs cannot be connected to the DVI output of a computer video card.  Check the TV documentation about that.  They have to design for the differences in DVI in a computer video card versus what the television industry uses for DVI.

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
DVI is the video subcomponent of HDMI.  HDMI can carry audio, DVI cannot.

But, not all DVI signals are created equal. Some TV's with HDMI or DVI inputs cannot be connected to the DVI output of a computer video card.  Check the TV documentation about that.  They have to design for the differences in DVI in a computer video card versus what the television industry uses for DVI.

As usual, Skuzzy is correct.  Usually, those displays specify in their manuals not to connect a PC through HDMI; although some have successfully done so in spite of the warning. Check AVSforum.com.You can usually find a PDF of display manuals online before you buy.  I believe Sik1 and some others are happy with their Westinghouse 1080p lcds as a monitor.

[DAVENRINO]

Skuzzy, I think some of those displays that are supposedly incompatible with video cards will actually work but utilizing the incorrect colorspace.  My HP has an option to reset a specific HDMI input to RGB colorspace for PC input.  Some displays even detect the incorrect colorspace through HDMI from sources such as DVD players.  My Oppo 981 upconverts to 1080p and has a manual selection available for colorspace selection if the display detects it incorrectly.

[38ruk]

Thanks for the reply's guy's ! My video card has 2 dvi outputs and what looks like an s-video out connect ( i think i have  component cables that go to that adapter )  . The Tv/monitor ivee been looking at have a mix of DVI ,HDMI and VGA connections for PC input . I've narrowed it down to a couple  37'' or 42'' sets , I'll toss a link up here when i decide and see what y'all think .  THX  

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by 38ruk
Thanks for the reply's guy's ! My video card has 2 dvi outputs and what looks like an s-video out connect ( i think i have  component cables that go to that adapter )  . The Tv/monitor ivee been looking at have a mix of DVI ,HDMI and VGA connections for PC input . I've narrowed it down to a couple  37'' or 42'' sets , I'll toss a link up here when i decide and see what y'all think .  THX  

The resolution is likely very limited from the S-video connection and I definitely wouldn't connect it to a large monitor.  DVI would be be best.  VGA and component are the best analog connections.  Many displays limit the resolution accepted through VGA.  My HP limits VGA to 1280x1024 max.  My Sony and Panny RPLCD's accepted 1280x720 through VGA.  Sasung DLP's actually accept 1080p from VGA.  Here are other threads on tv as monitors.

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199736

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202830&highlight=monitor

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164993&highlight=monitor

[38ruk]

Originally posted by DAVENRINO
The resolution is likely very limited from the S-video connection and I definitely wouldn't connect it to a large monitor.  DVI would be be best.  VGA and component are the best analog connections.  Many displays limit the resolution accepted through VGA.  My HP limits VGA to 1280x1024 max.  My Sony and Panny RPLCD's accepted 1280x720 through VGA.  Sasung DLP's actually accept 1080p from VGA.  Here are other threads on tv as monitors.

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199736

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202830&highlight=monitor

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164993&highlight=monitor

What do you think about DLP as a PC monitor ? I was under the assumption that it had a rainbow effect when it couldnt keep up[ with the frames. Thax for the info and the links 38

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by 38ruk
What do you think about DLP as a PC monitor ? I was under the assumption that it had a rainbow effect when it couldnt keep up[ with the frames. Thax for the info and the links 38

I have been using my 1080p DLP as my primary monitor for 18 months and couldn't be happier.  No motion blurring, artifacts or burn- in problems.  Just beautiful graphics at 1920x1080p.  I sit at 8' with no SSE or screen door effect.  Text is crystal clear on websites.  I am typing from my recliner now.  My gameplay is always fluid with no stutters or ghosting.  Rainbows have nothing to do with fps.    Some folks see rainbows with DLP but most don't.  No one has ever seen them on my display and I have never seen them on any DLP. I would put my picture quality up against any other technology but rear projection sets are beginning to fade out.  You still get the biggest and best picture for your dollar today with DLP. LCOS and D-ILA.  My 58" is still only 125 lbs and 20" deep.  The new Samsung  61" DLP is only 10" deep.  If I were to buy a DLP today I would get a Samsung with the new LED technology with lower power consumtion and longer lasting lighting.  I would choose the Sony SXRD for LCOS technology which also eliminates the possibility for rainbows. You can get the 60" Sony A2020 1080p for $2200 plus stand.

All technologies have good/bad points.  I prolly wouldn't go with plasma for a pc monitor because of burn-in issues.  LCD's are getting better but only the more expensive ones have black levels that are acceptable to me. Whatever dislplay you consider, I suggest you go to AVSforum.com and read the owners thread for that display for consumers actual experience with the set.  Good Luck.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

THE most important factor with LCD screens is that it can support the native resolution your video source feeds out. If not, youre in trouble.

[38ruk]

My brother inlaw has a DLP and lcd set and i was there today . I was really impressed with the DLP tv , we played COD2 on 360 for awhile and i never saw a blur or ghosting . I guess i will see if my 7800gt is going to be good enough to run 1920X 1080 , i *think* it will be fine .  THX for the help , i will be going DLP . 38

[DAVENRINO]

Originally posted by 38ruk
My brother inlaw has a DLP and lcd set and i was there today . I was really impressed with the DLP tv , we played COD2 on 360 for awhile and i never saw a blur or ghosting . I guess i will see if my 7800gt is going to be good enough to run 1920X 1080 , i *think* it will be fine .  THX for the help , i will be going DLP . 38

My 6800GT in my old Barton 2500 rig ran 1080p beautifully using the older 81.85 drivers.  The newer drivers aren't as good for setting up custom resolution within a resolution to correct for the DLP's overscan.  There is a hack to revert to the old Nvidia Control Panel on AVSforum.com. Again, I recommend Monoprice.com for all your cables.  Don't be tricked into buying overpriced/hyped monster cables etc.

Edit- BTW if you sit 8' away as I do, I recomend Opera browser with default zoom to 180%, Extra large fonts, and Custom DPI set to 144 for easy reading.