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Offline bj229r

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« on: August 07, 2007, 10:05:22 PM »
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Several days after the bomb was dropped, reporters asked Gandhi what he thought. He said the atom bomb “resulted for the time being in destroying the soul of Japan. What has happened to the soul of the destroying nation is yet too early to see.” That question is what I have been turning over in my mind since completing this novel.

What has happened to the soul of the destroying nation?

What happened to us as a nation on August 6, 1945? Did the use of a weapon designed to ruthlessly annihilate whole cities contribute to where we find ourselves today? How did Hiroshima erode our sense of morality, what we permit ourselves as a nation to do? How did it affect our fragile sense of what is permissible for one human being to do to another? Finally, what is the connection between Hiroshima and Guantanamo, Hiroshima and Abu Ghraib?

These questions are not easy to think about. The novel helps us to ponder them by illuminating the particular. The novel reminds us of what it is to be human. My lone, particular human voice speaks to your lone particular voice and that is what we have in the face of the enormity of these questions.

Nora Gallagher is author of the novel "Changing Light.".

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Abu Ghraib? Guantanamo? THESE places are compared to Hiroshima by this emotional trainwreck? Emotions aren't facts...this woman makes me mad enough to beat up Gandhi:furious
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2007, 10:14:32 PM »
Sadly, emotions are now as valid and maybe more valid than facts in determining what a society considers to be moral and justified.  

Re: dropping the bomb on a populated target.  If we did not use it, eventually someone else would have.  

As for the whiner you referenced, she owes her right to write such dribble to the many MEN who died to insure such rights for others.
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I love to GV and do Jabo missions vs GVs, get used to it.  Being good at one helps in the other.

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2007, 10:14:33 PM »
I think she'd annoy Gandhi enough to make him lunge for her tear-stained neck.

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2007, 11:37:41 PM »
had we not dropped it everyone would cry about the 2 million plus people who would have died in a mainland invasion. they would all be sayin " why didn't we drop the bomb".
at that time for a person ( such as ghandi) to say it was wrong is justifyable by the fact that the estimated Invasion death toll numbers were not well known, but for a modern author to say this is just ignorant.

Emotions will always be a apart of mankind's decisions, there is no way around that. I can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the situation.

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2007, 03:11:25 AM »
Well you know women are all emotional 'n stuff.


What I think is unfair is why dont us guys get a few days of absolute logic-enlightened thought processes once a month?

Id take cramps for it.


Carry on.

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2007, 04:36:32 AM »
lol tac, sounds fun expect for the pain/ bleeding/ tempermentalness(is that a word?).

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2007, 04:40:44 AM »
From my angle, after studying the Japanese way of fighting their toughness and atrocities alike,  - The bomb saved a lot of lives.
However, what bothers me is to choose a city to demonstrate it.
And what so many don't know is that many events in the US-Japanese and Japan-China wars, there were events more bloody than for instance Nagasaki.
Nanking is probably a bigger bloodbath than Horoshima. And it's only 1937.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
Or Manila:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre
Warning...ugly pictures.
But bear in mind that this was known to the USA when they were making uptheir mind to attempt to end the war in a flash, - which they did.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 05:43:43 AM »
You forgot Tokyo Angus. We see ppl moaning about the RAF, with help from the USAAC, Hamburg and Dresden but how many times does one see moaning about the American Tokyo fire bomb raids which had more casualties than the German cities.

Not well know is that the initial attack, of 4, on Dresden was to be by the Americans. Bad weather scratched the mission. The 2cd American mission was flown.

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2007, 07:47:27 AM »
Didn't forget it. Just skipped it. It was somewhere about 100.000 right? So above Nagasaki. Probably the only allied bomb-raid to have done so, unless that the claims of 130.000 dead at Dresden would be right.
So...what I did:
I just brought up Japanese mass-butcherings that topped a nuclear attack casualty. I could have brought up other parameters to the equation, such as casualties at IWO and Okinawa, but it makes it more complicated.
Bottom line, IMHO, is that the casualty rate and atrocities at the hand of the Japanese was known by the USA, and therefore would be attempted to be stopped at any cost. And if the cost is on the other side...then?

Tokyo did not break the Japanese, despite being a bigger inferno than Dresden or Nagasaki.
Hiroshima didn't either, - the military council decided to carry on at war after Nagasaki. The Japs had actually been warned with propoganda (Flyers and radio) that the Americans had a terrific weapon of mass destruction, but yet after flattening a city, there was not a surrender.
Nagasaki showed that the USA could easily plonk Japan back to the stone age with just one finger. One aircraft, one bomb, and BAM, one city. The leaders of Japan realized, yet the vote for surrender was not a total agreement. But the emperor stepped in....

So. Dresden, and even Hambug should basically have brought up surrender terms on to the receiving end. But as is the case, with such regimes as held the reins, that doesn't work.
(Actually, had the Hamburg Inferno been repeated shortly like once or twice, Germany might have buckled, - source from a highly ranked person in the innermost circle).
Japan was the same.

So, what rests in my mind is that a regime like the Axis had at the wheel, can push forward terrible things and do not buckle untill they meet their superior. And FYI in my mind, the second world war is probably the saddest part of human history.

Chain reaction: We must pay the honours to the slain and learn from it.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2007, 08:19:22 AM »
She just needs some good luvin.

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2007, 09:17:34 AM »
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Originally posted by FiLtH
She just needs some good luvin.


:aok  Very delicately put.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2007, 12:35:50 PM »
:rofl :aok
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2007, 01:39:41 PM »
If she was cuddled and softly spoken to, she would have never written that book.

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2007, 04:47:44 PM »
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Originally posted by bj229r
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Abu Ghraib? Guantanamo? THESE places are compared to Hiroshima by this emotional trainwreck? Emotions aren't facts...this woman makes me mad enough to beat up Gandhi:furious



Hell that's why I don't read posts by Mac anymore!:rofl :D