Operation Cartwheel Frame 2 Scores

[humble]

The High B5N attack group had a total of 4 zekes protecting it. Our assigned escort was ranging in front by a good deal and obviously found an opposing force. However the bulk of it slammed right tru the zekes (only 8 or 9 total) and hit us. The simple reality is that the US attack group was un engaged and attacking the B5N's by choice not desperation. This is not ment as a slight or "attack" just a factual observation. The flip side is that the group U attacked managed to fight thru and sink its target despite having run into the "whole allied airforce" and absorbing high losses. I can flat out tell you that none of the SBD's were even in danger while attacking us....Basically we were the charge of the light brigade:).

[humble]

so you got orders to divert from your assigned mission to attack the inbound Kate's with your SBD's?

Originally posted by DmdJJ
Just so I get this right, the rules change as the CM see's fit and the scores will be adjusted as the CM see's fit. Even though he wasn't there during the fight and know what the situation really was.  
The Damned ran into the entire IJN air attack on our way to find the IJN fleet. I for one wasn't going to be laden to the hilt with all those Zero's around, so we pickled our bombs and went on the defensive/offensive. Bad us for trying to stay alive. I did go back and rearm, but hit the prop on the deck of the CV on takeoff and my night was over. With that said, its a game, I have to pay to play it, and do not win any prizes for being in first place. Take the 30 points, heck take them all, I don't care. I will do the same thing again if the situation dictates it.
Now to point fingers saying that we disregarded the CIC's orders, that's just complete BS and totally uncalled for.

[Joker312]

Yes he did.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by humble
The High B5N attack group had a total of 4 zekes protecting it. Our assigned escort was ranging in front by a good deal and obviously found an opposing force. However the bulk of it slammed right tru the zekes (only 8 or 9 total) and hit us. The simple reality is that the US attack group was un engaged and attacking the B5N's by choice not desperation. This is not ment as a slight or "attack" just a factual observation. The flip side is that the group U attacked managed to fight thru and sink its target despite having run into the "whole allied airforce" and absorbing high losses. I can flat out tell you that none of the SBD's were even in danger while attacking us....Basically we were the charge of the light brigade:).

There were more than four zekes in my part of the sky. A great deal more. I never saw the B5Ns, but I saw plenty of Zekes. You'll never chalk up all the losses on both sides in that small time frame to just four zekes. All you have to do is look at the event logs. There were a lot of aircraft in a small section of the map. This whole incident was intense and confused enough where many of the comabatants never saw what was going on a mile or two away.

For you to claim the SBD's were not in danger when they attacked your B5N's assumes they were not in danger before that instant. Since you were not flying the SBD's you have no idea what they ran into prior to your sighting of them.

Everybody needs to remain calm and not point fingers. Both sides and the CMs tried to do their jobs. What really happened was that the fog of war made it's way into the simulation, adding just that much more realism.

[humble]

Actually I'm not pointing any fingers...or am saying that the decision was "wrong". I have no idea where the allied CV cap was or if it was in position to engage us. I also dont know exactly how strong the allied strike force was. I do know that our assigned escort (fate) had a total of 8 pilots and flew a loose escort that put them way in front of us where they either enggaed or were attacked and unable to support the 4 zekes we had when we did come under attack.

USMC / 71sqn stats:
Pilots: 17 Kills: 4 Assists: 1
Obj Destroyed: 35 Deaths: 15 Landed: 5
Bailed: 0 Captured: 1 Crashed: 0
Ditched: 0 Disco'd: 0

Now if we look at the counterpart

22:04:39 Departed from Field #8 in a SBD-5
22:05:47 Skillfully ditched.
22:05:50 Departed from Field #8 in a SBD-5
22:25:53 Shot down a B5N2 flown by Nosey.
22:27:56 Shot down a B5N2 flown by Bodean.
22:28:35 Helps Ghosth shoot down jappa52.
22:28:57 Shot down a B5N2 flown by WiLdDog1.
22:30:52 Helps Simaril shoot down TracerX.
22:31:30 Joined by Drano as gunner/observer.
22:50:55 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #8.
22:52:06 Arrived Safely at Field #8


This is simply deciding it would be more fun to cherrypick some kates then accomplish your assigned mission. As I said the SBD's were in zero danger. They just decided it would be more fun to pick...and it probably was:). But dont confuse that with anything else....

[Sled]

I haven't read this whole thread, I don't have time to right now.

The penalty was small for a reason. The Allies did not intend to ditch on their orders from the start, it was not premeditated, it happened in the heat of battle. However because the allied attack group decided to engage the Kate's, three axis squads saw little action defending a cruiser group from an attack that never came.

I only wanted to make a statement with the 30 points. If your squad(s) are to attack a target, then you MUST attack that target. NOT switch to defending one of you own targets. UNLESS your CiC specificially tells you to. In which case he should vector other squads to cover your mission in T+60.

The 30 points will have little effect on the outcome of the event. (I hope)

[DmdJJ]

Originally posted by humble

Now if we look at the counterpart

22:04:39 Departed from Field #8 in a SBD-5
22:05:47 Skillfully ditched.
22:05:50 Departed from Field #8 in a SBD-5
22:25:53 Shot down a B5N2 flown by Nosey.
22:27:56 Shot down a B5N2 flown by Bodean.
22:28:35 Helps Ghosth shoot down jappa52.
22:28:57 Shot down a B5N2 flown by WiLdDog1.
22:30:52 Helps Simaril shoot down TracerX.
22:31:30 Joined by Drano as gunner/observer.
22:50:55 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #8.
22:52:06 Arrived Safely at Field #8


This is simply deciding it would be more fun to cherrypick some kates then accomplish your assigned mission. As I said the SBD's were in zero danger. They just decided it would be more fun to pick...and it probably was:). But dont confuse that with anything else....

If your going to copy and paste from the logs, then do so with my entire squad as you did with yours. Don't show just half of the picture. As you will see I was the only one that made it out, but yet you say we were in no danger. Next time this happens I'll get on 200 and ask if we are in no danger from the other side. Will that work for you. That way I will know that I am in no danger and I won't engage the enemy. I will bring a better plane for cherry picking also as the SBD really doesn't fit the bill for this moniker. One last thing. By copying and pasting just my part of the battle you are pointing fingers. I find it sad as hell that one SBD had such an impact on the entire FSO in your opinion.
I tell you this, what is really sad is the IJN used 37 A6M5B's last night. The limit was 32, but I bet the CM will rule that its ok cause we don't want to upset anyone that didn't have a good time.

[Softail]

oppss...wrong week.  my bad.