couple of great fights....

[humble]

with Tbarone and Agent360.... <>

Other then a bit of pure dweebery by okbwaaaacccck and some of the 4th FG was a fun night. When I logged back on axis field was capped so i upped from closest field and found 4 spits at 10k or so...kept em distracted while the few other axis got up (was 4 on 8)...of course once we got up with equal alt and things evened out the fight disappeared....

One thing I'll say is this planeset certainly shows off the 205 nicely. Didnt realize it could dominate a spitIX that easily....

[dedalos]

Originally posted by humble

Other then a bit of pure dweebery by okbwaaaacccck and some of the 4th FG was a fun night. When I logged back on axis field was capped so i upped from closest field and found 4 spits at 10k or so...kept em distracted while the few other axis got up (was 4 on 8)...of course once we got up with equal alt and things evened out the fight disappeared....
 

I am confused.  how is that a great fight?  How is it different than the MA?

[storch]

Originally posted by dedalos
I am confused.  how is that a great fight?  How is it different than the MA?

awwww come on back, you know you want to and those hits only left a little mark.

[humble]

You are missing the paragraph break:)...

Had a couple of good fights and then a bit of related dweebery....

then another good fight with 360....

All in all a fun time, numbers are getting better. I actually logged with only 3 on, probably just about when you did. Rolled a hvy A-20 but obviously took a scenic route so I could unload the eggs...by the time I dropped we had 12 or more then about 20?? when wife-ack hit. Got onb a bit later for a couple of hops...will check in a bit later tonight as well...

[dedalos]

Originally posted by storch
awwww come on back, you know you want to and those hits only left a little mark.

lol, you are missing the point.  Assuming the reason to go there (and it was for me) was the good fights, I can do a lot better in the MA or DA.  So, whats the point in waisting time there hoping for a fight her and there?

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by dedalos
lol, you are missing the point.  Assuming the reason to go there (and it was for me) was the good fights, I can do a lot better in the MA or DA.  So, whats the point in waisting time there hoping for a fight her and there?

The point is that with the increased numbers, you don't have to make an appointment to have a fight in AvA.  Sure, the core group has always managed to have great fights when we're on, but Dicho and I and some others have spent many lonely nights circling around by ourselves, hoping someone would show up.  Now there's usually someone there, and, while you will find the usual MA stuff, you will also find good fights.

AND even the dweeb fights are at least quasi-historical.  

- oldman

[storch]

Originally posted by dedalos
lol, you are missing the point.  Assuming the reason to go there (and it was for me) was the good fights, I can do a lot better in the MA or DA.  So, whats the point in waisting time there hoping for a fight her and there?

1. I never miss the point as its always centered at the top of my head.
2. there have been about thirty players on for the last two nights at prime time.

while the majority of the players are nowhere near your caliber there are just so many of them and in spits that for my part I find myself truly challenged.  most of the players on the axis side have honored my request to stay out of fights I'm in even if I'm being ganged.  the only exception to that is okllok of course but he didn't show his cpid and thus it was a great night last night.

you are missing some good fights sir.  I hope you return.

[Dichotomy]

<---- actually landed a plane WITH KILLS

in a 190 no less

The arena has gone to hell in a handbasket

Good times last night gents

[humble]

Originally posted by dedalos
I am confused.  how is that a great fight?  How is it different than the MA?

Ded,

No question that the AvA isnt what the old "CT" was at its best. However its head and shoulders above the MA for ACM/SA fights vs what I consider the SA/numbers/ACM equation of the MA. It also doesnt offer the true 1 on 1's of the DA....

In alot of ways it does resemble the old days of the AH beta or the AW FR arena of the mid 90's. Alot I think comes down to a choice on flying style and plane type. Your not going to get alot of fight to the finish 1 on 1's {although i've had more then a few}. If your in a "2nd tier" ride flying against the numbers its bound to get frustrating at times.

Since the avengers have been up front with regard to flying style/agenda I flew last nights hops from a SA/group enviornment vs my norm. Had fun and landed some pelts...wasnt as much fun as a real good 1 on 1 but much better then the MA normally is. Over time I'm sure the avengers will catch up and be a formidable group...I think that the limited numbers in WB have created a lower bar overall skill wise (just my initial observation) that will take a bit to overcome.

I've approached this tour with the thought that I'm gonna adjust to the AvA vs trying to make the AvA adjust to me and see what happens. All in all was alot of fun. The flip side is that the best fight I had was vs Dace in a 205 vs my A-20. I dont think i'd have beat him but a 110 kept "buzzing" the fight and forced me off my plan a few times {110 is one of the few birds an A-20 cant ignore for a pass or two}....was a good fight and nice kill but thats where it gets frustrating at times.

The "re-flip" is I had an encounter with one of the avengers (olbull I think) who semi bounced my 205. We went thru a bunch of E fighting contortions and I put a few rounds in him while watching what looked like ALL the avengers inbound....I simply disengaged and scooted. I teased him a bit on egress but if it was the 71st and one of "ours"...we'd have stomped on anyone foolish enough to stay as well. One good by product of the AvA is that a guy like olbull (any of us) has a better chance to learn/absorb various ACM/fighting styles/plane match ups alot better then he could in the MA. I think over time the improvement in the AvA guys will outpace a similiar stick on the MA.

I dont think overall pilot quality in the AvA is any better....but I think you have a much better ACM/SA/numbers equation overall.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by humble


The "re-flip" is I had an encounter with one of the avengers (olbull I think) who semi bounced my 205. We went thru a bunch of E fighting contortions and I put a few rounds in him while watching what looked like ALL the avengers inbound....I simply disengaged and scooted. I teased him a bit on egress but if it was the 71st and one of "ours"...we'd have stomped on anyone foolish enough to stay as well. One good by product of the AvA is that a guy like olbull (any of us) has a better chance to learn/absorb various ACM/fighting styles/plane match ups alot better then he could in the MA. I think over time the improvement in the AvA guys will outpace a similiar stick on the MA.
 

I know you don't see it now because for you it is something different, and different is always good in a game.  However, no one learns from semi bouncing someone and then waiting for his friends to bail him.  If that had happened in the MA you would have said something different no?  

In any case.  I am glad you enjoy it.  I did too but what I see now is an MA in the making.  I can get that in the MA.  The difference is that if the oklloks and  the rest show up I have the option to up somewhere else and ignore them.  That option does not exist in the AvA.  So, its good that you like it and having there.  I don't.  

[humble]

Originally posted by dedalos
I know you don't see it now because for you it is something different, and different is always good in a game.  However, no one learns from semi bouncing someone and then waiting for his friends to bail him.  If that had happened in the MA you would have said something different no?  

In any case.  I am glad you enjoy it.  I did too but what I see now is an MA in the making.  I can get that in the MA.  The difference is that if the oklloks and  the rest show up I have the option to up somewhere else and ignore them.  That option does not exist in the AvA.  So, its good that you like it and having there.  I don't.  

I dont agree with you there. Lets go back to our P-40 vs 109-E fight in the DA. I dont lose many fights in the 109E and you thumped me in a way I couldnt have forseen. Simply hadnt seen the p-40 flown that way...no question it improved my p-40 driving by simply expanding my view of the possibilities. We (olbull and I) had a good 4-5 minutes to play. In the MA that would be rare (and in the MA i'd have bugged out as well) and more then likely all i'd get from the spitty would be a "why are U running?".

I agree it different, and to me that is the key. It's not the same enviornment that the CT was at end and is different/"better" then the MA in alot of ways. It is however NOT the good old days either.

I had more fun over the weekend and on Monday even if I got roughed up a bit more then last night when I was 16-1 and literally took a single ping in a fighter that I can recall. However if I had waded in to the combination of #'s and alt like normal I'd have probably come away very frustated vs a more mellow outlook. I simply put the A-20 away and upped a spit instead. Now Guppy just stomped on em all (literally{landed 6 kills in 5 min or os}) but went on and had some good fights. I rarely fly "smart" so it was an intersting change of pace for a day. We'll see what tonight brings on "mizzun night"....

I dont know that you'll have more good fights in the AvA then the MA but I dont think you'll do any worse. I guess my thoughts are simply an acknowledgment that the AvA has evaolved to where it is "different"...both from the MA and my views on what the "CT" was and AvA "should" be. So for now I'll just play with the other kids in the sandbox and see how it all works out.

[humble]

As a side note okllock is pretty easy to kill compared to TC, FX, Tbarone or a host of others. One problem with guys who fight with the advantage is the skill set attrites over time. ShaunB is much more of a threat IMO since he likes to fight from the perch but is alot more aggresive. Last time Ocklock was up I just sat on him and waited for the pick...popped him twice in a row and he left me alone. Now he might suprise me next time and up his game....but in the end if your relying on faster, higher and more friends vs your own skillset you'll lose vs a guy who's ready for you.

Again its style. Your low slow and mucking it up in a P-40 or similiar...so was I....well for now I'm mid alt in a 205 and I'm off target and on to the high threat as soon as it hits Icon range...so no freebies. Is it my preferred style..nope. But now 1st thing I do is run picker patrol if i need to:aok