McCain vs. Presidential requirements

[bsdaddict]

In the interest of fairness, since I posted Ron Paul's CPAC speech in the Who Is Ron Paul thread, here's McCains speech at CPAC yesterday.

part 1 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Ryh7NVK7Yo&feature=user
part 2 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=MkfddbTgQQ4&feature=user
part 3 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=VyWIfzuyT68&feature=user

he's definitely making an effort to sound more conservative...

[lazs2]

I am no fan of mccain..  but...  he does give a great speech.. he comes off as genuine.... the jug eared osamabam looks foolish next to him.  osamabama looks fake and unsubstantial.. which.. is what he is.

mccain is who he is tho..  he is no friend of the conservative except in spending and defense.. he will lower our taxes.   He also has a mean streak that takes some by surprise.

He is no more mean than billary but more clever and believable.. he is way meaner than  osamabama...  he will rip the silly buffoon a new one.

It won't be hard.. just ask him how he is gonna pay for all his bribery give away programs.

lazs

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by midnight Target
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Other_Voices/all_the_good_of_liberalism.htm

I admit I got help from the intertubes...

Interstate Highway System

era: 1950's-present
Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.

GI Bill

era: 1950's
This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.

Labor Laws

era: 1930's-present
An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.

Marshall Plan

era: late 1940's-1950's
Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.


Environmental Laws

era: 1970's-present
The environment has gotten much better in the last 30 years thanks to liberals. Bald Eagles fly once again thanks to endangered species laws, most rivers and lakes are clean again due to anti-pollution laws, and frequent smog days are a thing of the past in most big American cities.

Food safety laws

era: 1910's-present
Ever read Sinclair's "The Jungle?" That's what things were really like before food purity laws were on the books. Today cases of food poisoning are rare, and consumers know that whatever they buy is safe to eat.


Workplace safety laws

era: 1930's-present
Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.

Social Security

era: 1930's-1970's
This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.

Economic Growth

era: 1950's-1960's
Liberalism and economic prosperity go hand-in-hand. Unlike the pseudo-boom of the 1980's, the 1950's and 1960's were a period of sustained and real growth for all sectors of the economy and all social classes. Taxes were fair, government worked, and America prospered under both Democratic and Republican administrations

Space Program

era: 1950's-present
It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.

Peace corps

era: 1960's-present
Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy


Civil rights movement

era: 1950's-present
Liberal ideals drove the biggest change in American society since the Civil War, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. All Americans who believe in freedom and opportunity cannot help but be inspired by the valiant struggles of MLK and others. Also recall if you will that the major opponents of civil rights were conservatives.

The Tennessee Valley project

era: 1930's
The Depression-era government program bought electricity to thousands of impoverished families in Appalachia, prevented floods, and created thousands of new jobs.

Women's right to vote

era: 1920's-present
Before 1920, half of America's population could not exercise the essential duty of citizenship.

Universal Public Education

era: 1890's-present
The reason America is so strong economically is because we have a well-educated citizenry. Public schooling is the true melting pot of America, where every student, regardless of economic background can be taught the basics of citizenship. It is no coincidence that in the last 20 years, as conservatives have greatly weakened the public school system, that American students have scored lower on tests and our civic society has started to unravel.

National Weather Service

era: 1930's-present
This is one of those things you never think about, but you are glad its there. Far from just forecasting the weather, the NWS also provides vital data to pilots and sailors, and the NWS satellites and observation posts provide the raw data that all other weather forecasting services (private ones too!) depend on.

Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws

era: 1910's-present
"We take it for granted that if a claim is made publicly for a product, it's reasonable to assume it's true. Plus, every time we check the ingredients on a can or package of food, we should mentally call down blessings on the liberals who passed the necessary legislation over the anguished howls of the conservatives, who were convinced such info would be prohibitively expensive, and too big a burden on business."

Public Health

era: 1910's-present
Government funded water and sewage systems are an important part of modernity. In addition, organizations such as the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control play an important part in maintaining the national health and preventing epidemics through research, vaccination programs, etc.

Morrill Land Grant Act

era: late 1800's
This act is the reason why nearly every state in the Union has a large public university. These centers of learning have educated untold millions of Americans. If you went to a school with a state name in it, then you were helped by liberalism.

Rural Electrification

era: 1930's-1960's
This allowed remote, rural areas of the country the basic convenience of electricity. I am sure that those of us using computers on the internet, sitting in our air conditioned homes, under our electric lights consider electricity a basic necessity - one that the pure market would never have found profitable to provide to isolated farming communities.

Public Universities

era: 1890's-present day
Put a college education within the reach of nearly every American. In addition to education, many of these institutions have played key roles in all kinds of scientific research and been a strong influence on our entire society.

Bank Deposit Insurance

era: 1930's-present day
About 1934, as part of extensive New Deal banking legislation, Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to provide federal insurance for bank deposits.  This was instrumental in restoring confidence in our nation's banks, and remains so to this day.

Earned Income Tax Credit

era: 1970's-present day
Reduces the tax burden for working families who make under $28,500.00 You have to earn income to get it. It is not a handout. It's a great incentive for families to stay off welfare. But the atmosphere has changed in Washington, and Republicans had to find a way to pay for their capital-gains tax cut, and EITC was their ticket to success. So, the Republicans voted to cut this program by $29 billion over a certain time frame. Well guess what?   They just raised the taxes on lower income working families.

Family and Medical Leave Act

era: 1993-present day
This is a program which mandates that you have the right to job leave to take care of sick family members, or to have a child. Many conservatives were opposed to this valuable piece of legislation. Perhaps they were opposed to family values?

Consumer Product Safety Commission

era: 1972-present day
These guys regulate consumer products for safety. Everything from sharp (and edible) baby toys to flammable pjamas have been taken off the market due to the work of this commission.

Public Broadcasting

era: 1930's-present day
Millions of our children have learned from shows like Sesame Street, 3-2-1 Contact,  and Mister Rogers (and so many more). Millions of adults continue to learn from shows like Nova. Also, the best broadcast journalism is by far National Public Radio. PBS and NPR have served to enrich our national culture.

Americans With Disabilities Act

era: 1990-present day
Civil rights for disabled citizens. It is fair, just, and it is the law of the land. Credit where credit is due, former Senator Bob Dole helped push this through, a rare nod in favor of liberalism from Mr. Dole.

Nice work MT.  unfortunately you have confused Liberalism w/ being a democrat.  They are not the same.  as an example, you mention Kennedy.  He was not liberal... no way.

[lazs2]

yep...  he also tends to ignore the fact that it was democrats who fought real civil rights and republicans who fought for em..  the states that resisted the constitution were democrat ones.  

The phony "extra rights" like affirmative action and such were all by the new liberal socialist democrats.

I think we can draw a line at kennedy for modern interpretation of what a democrat has become..  even humphrey was more of a republican than most republicans are today.

In germany many great projects like their road system were a result of hitler.. of a desire for defense .. to get the army around.   I would say republicans would have supported such an effort.  

lazs

[bsdaddict]

"democrat", "republican", "liberal", "conservative"...  isn't that all just semantics?  Doesn't it really boil down to the old federalism (big fedgov, less states rights) vs. anti-federalism (smaller fedgov, more states rights) argument?  Maybe I'm just in a minority that still thinks along those lines...  Are the only viable options now big gov't liberalism vs big gov't neo-conservatism?

[moot]

"The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy."

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
"democrat", "republican", "liberal", "conservative"...  isn't that all just semantics?  

NO

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Nice work MT.  unfortunately you have confused Liberalism w/ being a democrat.  They are not the same.  as an example, you mention Kennedy.  He was not liberal... no way.

Then you didn't really read it. All of those items mentioned are "Liberal" as in the opposite of "Conservative". Kennedy's conservatism or Nixon's liberalism (he was all for national health care), have nothing to do with my post. The programs are liberal... <---period

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by midnight Target
The programs are liberal... <---period

riiiiiight

[bsdaddict]

MT did kinda hit the nail on the head there...  the "programs" in and of themselves, are liberal.  Liberal in the sense that they're conceived with the notion that a bigger fedgov is the answer to social problems/issues.  Now, the civil rights these "programs" were intended to protect are liberal, in the Classically Liberal sense, but protecting said rights is a paleo-conservative position...

See why I said that we're getting in arguments over semantics?

[bsdaddict]

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