AR-15 owners Beware

[crockett]

Such as?

They had automatic weapons or at least that was the info the ATF has at the time. That and the Karush guy was a child molester. Not to menton, they could have ended the whole thing at any time by just coming out.

[lasersailor184]

They had automatic weapons or at least that was the info the ATF has at the time. That and the Karush guy was a child molester. Not to menton, they could have ended the whole thing at any time by just coming out.

The ATF later admitted to fabricating the child molester charges to get Reno's approval to go in guns blazing.  The Branch Davidians also admitted the local police several times under normal warrants to look for the automatic weapons.



The ATF just wanted them to submit to government rule.

[Gunslinger]

What's funny in this thread is I see that those usually decrying a "police state" RE:  GWB so called new policies are the same ones defending the govt and the ATF and ultimately the slaughter of innocent woman and children.  It's funny how there's no compassion when it happens on American soil to actual Americans.

EDIT:

The point being there's been numerous threads and articles about the abuses of the ATF that it should bring to light all the abuses by the BATF.  But of course the libs want to say that the 2nd amendment is a state issue so who cares about the constituition or those who suffer from it's brutality.

[Shamus]

I do not get my info from movies. The branch divideans were a problem that needed to be dealt with. They were not machine gunned.... they pretty much commited suicide. They had a choice and they made it. The first shots were fired from inside and at identified police. While it is never good for children to die.... their parents obviously did not care enough about them and put them in harms way.

Sorry...you are a koolaid consuming nut,  "my government right or wrong" is quite dangerous.

shamus   

[Selino631]

That is insane  

[SteveBailey]

They had a choice and they made it. The first shots were fired from inside and at identified police. While it is never good for children to die.... their parents obviously did not care enough about them and put them in harms way

soooo it was ok to attack the house full of children?  Tell me, what would have been wrong with waiting them out?  Letting their food run out?
How could that have been worse than the historical end result?

[crockett]

The ATF later admitted to fabricating the child molester charges to get Reno's approval to go in guns blazing.  The Branch Davidians also admitted the local police several times under normal warrants to look for the automatic weapons.



The ATF just wanted them to submit to government rule.

I just watched a show the other day on the issue and there was one of the survivors doing a interview. Was a young women whom was a teenage girl at the time and was one of the girls he tried to have sex with. She said it in the interview even years later, that he had or tried to have sex with many of the underage girls. He considered it as his right for being a "prophet".

Now I still think the ATF screwed the whole deal up, I mean hell they should have just picked him up when he was out in a public place, then tried to serve the warrant to search the place. However just because they screwed up doesnt mean the Branch Dravidian's were any less at fault.

[Jackal1]

They had automatic weapons or at least that was the info the ATF has at the time.

No illegal weapons were found.

That and the Karush guy was a child molester. Not to menton, they could have ended the whole thing at any time by just coming out.

And the ATF murdered said children.

Not to menton, they could have ended the whole thing at any time by just coming out.

They were residents that the ATF had nothing on then or now.
The whole thing, as you put it, was not needed to begin with. It was supposed to be a media stunt to boast the ATF stance. It went very wrong for them.
If ATF or and law enforcement wanted Koresh for questioning or arrest on some trumped up charge, he had a pretty set schedule outside of the Davidian property. He went to a local lumber yard on the same day every week and nearly scheduled enough to set your watch by. He could have been picked up easily at any time. That wasn`t what this was about by a long shot.
The local Sheriff had been in the Davidian house and on the property many times and had a standing invitation until they were attacked. He could have served any warrant, at any time, without trouble.
I use the word attacked because that is just how this was carried out. A military style attack on private property......right here in the U.S.
This was certainly not the first time, and it want be the last.
A government sniper shooting a teenage boy in the back got my attention pretty well, along with shooting a mother holding a child.

Tell you what, watch the interview with the man who was one of the main developers and inventors of FLIR.
Watch the FLIR videos...then come back and tell me the ATF wasn`t murdering people.

[lazs2]

my point is that there is no reason for anyone to kill those children.   My point is that agencies that are rogue like the ATF are making situations far worse than they need to be.

As was pointed out..  the local authorities were invited several times to come and search the church for any illegal.. well illegal anything...

I see no reason to create the home breaking and dangerous atmosphere that the showboating ninjas do.    At least not in cases of normally law abiding citizens with families...

Why do we not see the ATF doing their raids in Compton? are they saying that there are no illegal weapons in the gang strongholds?   certainly there are real bad guys that such military tactics would be needed on.

seriously guys.. most of the stuff they send in the ninjas for could be handled by a pair of cops at the door with a warrant.

lazs