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« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2008, 04:01:51 PM »
I think Thomson recently pulled out of everything but consumer electronics..
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« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2008, 04:07:03 PM »
Still choices available from France and from Europe.

Oh looks like Frenchies are also having KC-135 fleet + C-130 Hercules transport aircrafts.

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« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2008, 04:11:12 PM »
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Still choices available from France and from Europe.

Oh looks like Frenchies are also having KC-135 fleet + C-130 Hercules transport aircrafts.


 euros are developing at a c-130 replacement...

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« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2008, 04:42:10 PM »
Nilsen: The Erieye is not as capable as the E3 by a long shot.


That would depend on what you mean by "capable". If you mean range, then yes. The Erieye only has about half to two-thirds the range, but the Erieye is a much more modern AESA radar that combined with Ericsson's integrated systems suite is controlled directly from ground command centers instead of by operators in the aircraft itself. In theory the radar can be operated remotely by anyone in the network.

In what way do you think the E-3 is superior to the EMB-145/Erieye system beyond the maximum radar range?


"EMB-145 ERIEYE AIRBORNE EARLY WARNING AND CONTROL AIRCRAFT, BRAZIL
The EMB-145 AEW&C is a derivative of the Embraer ERJ-145 regional jetliner airframe, modified with the integration of an Airborne Early Warning radar and mission system. The aircraft incorporates a reinforced airframe, new navigation and communication systems, an enhanced auxiliary power unit (APU), increased fuel capacity and a revised interior layout. The EMB-145 AEW&C's mission system is developed around the Ericsson ERIEYE active, phased-array pulse-Doppler radar and is integrated with an onboard command and control system. Electronic surveillance measures for monitoring communications and non-communications activities are also integrated with the system.

In 1997, Embraer was awarded a contract to develop and produce the ERIEYE-based EMB-145 AEW&C (designated R-99A) aircraft, together with another version of the same aircraft, the EMB-145 RS Remote Sensing (designated R-99B) variant, for the Brazilian Government's SIVAM program. The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) ordered five AEW&C and three EMB-145 RS aircraft. The first AEW&C aircraft was delivered to the Brazilian Air Force in July 2002 and deliveries were completed in December 2003.

The Hellenic Air Force of Greece has ordered four EMB-145 AEW&C. The first was delivered in December 2003 and deliveries are expected to be completed by the end of 2004. Mexico has ordered one aircraft for border and coastline monitoring which was delivered in June 2004. Erieye radar systems have also been ordered by Sweden. In February 2005, Embraer signed a Memorandum of Understanding with India for the procurement of three systems.

A fleet of three aircraft is sufficient to sustain two airborne patrols around the clock for a limited time, or one airborne patrol with one aircraft on continuous ground alert for more than 30 days. Although capable of long endurance at normal patrol speeds, the EMB-145 has a high dash speed which contributes to survivability on patrol missions.

The EMB-145 AEW&C crew includes the pilot and copilot, five mission systems specialists and up to three reserve crew members. The aircraft is equipped with five or six mission operator consoles.

COCKPIT
The all-glass cockpit is fitted with five displays - primary flight displays, multi-function displays and the engine indication and crew alerting system (EICAS) - with multi-reversionary capabilities.

Avionic systems include full TCAS II (Traffic Alerting and Collision Avoidance), a ground proximity warning system (GPWS) and windshear detector. Dual digital air data computers drive the attitude and heading reference system (AHRS). The pilot is provided with a head-up display particularly for landing guidance. The aircraft has two radio altimeters and instrument landing system. A dual integrated computer controls the autopilot flight director (APFD), windshear detector and EICAS.

ERIEYE
ERIEYE has been developed by Ericsson Microwave Systems. The system comprises an active, phased-array pulse-Doppler radar including integrated secondary surveillance radar and identification friend or foe (SSR/IFF), a comprehensive, modular command-and-control system, electronic support measures (ESM), communications and datalinks.

Rather than conventional rotodome antenna system, ERIEYE has a fixed, dual-sided and electronically scanned antenna mounted on top of the fuselage. This places much less demand on aircraft size and is designed for mounting on commuter-type aircraft. The ERIEYE is capable of 360 detection and tracking of air and sea targets over the horizon. The instrumented range is 450km and a typical detection range against a fighter aircraft size target is in excess of 350km.

The system uses advanced solid-state electronics, open-system architecture and ruggedized commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) hardware, including general-purpose programmable workstations and full-colour LCD displays. The ERIEYE radar is already in service with the Swedish Air Force and is in series production for Brazil and other customers."
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« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2008, 11:45:43 PM »
To be honest I dont very much like the F-22 or the Eurofighter. They are both too big, heavy and expensive. I believe in Northrops philosophy of keeping fighters small. In my opinion a fighter should be as small as practically possible, have a big engine, be simple and easy to maintain while having the most advanced weapons and sensors you are able to make/afford.

My current favourite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KHVeFs9Mto


I also greatly admire these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJIXb300AQk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fq4vWnU2E0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aIyaJmgqGY (Really cute, you can see the F-5/F-20 heritage.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9w5MEgc03s (Not exactly new, but I love it still.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA7Pwek0nEc (A bit on the heavy side, but still)
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« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2008, 04:38:43 AM »
I'm not sure I see the problem, I understand the A330 MRTT carries 20-25% more fuel, longer range, operates from smaller airfields and has a bigger capacity for cargo than a KC-767...was a winner for the RAAF and RAF...sounds like a winner for the USAF

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« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2008, 04:50:47 AM »
Problems seems to be US got best plane instead of American plane ;)

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« Reply #67 on: March 03, 2008, 04:55:33 AM »
Doesnt matter if its better. It has to be designed and made in USA or else its going to be nothing but trouble. Just see eagl's posts. ;)