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Offline ROX

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« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2008, 05:20:12 PM »
Hey Sim!  :salute

No I get what your saying...

I guess (I should have been more detailed, my bad).

What I should have said was tally up the all the votes nationwide and winner takes all.  Making it a state-by-state would be too close to what we already have.

Most do not understand the Electoral College--and it has worked fine in the past except in races were extremely close, but maybe a "popular" vote determine the winner may end all the controversy.

Each registered voter = one vote...your vote counts the same as anyone else's. 

I'm no way an expert on the constitution, and in the end, I believe law makers or the Supreme Court would balk at any changes to the current system.

Just an idea.   :salute


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« Reply #61 on: April 04, 2008, 06:03:03 PM »

so will the electoral votes increase as population does or stay the same even tho the population grows  and if the population grows and shifts more and more to the coastal states will there be an even bigger rift between the popular vote and the college?
just a question, i dont know as much about it as i thought, or maybe i am right :confused: there may be no way too know for sure :rofl

There really isn't that much of a rift between the electoral college and the popular vote, and like ROX said the college hardly ever comes out differently than the popular vote.

Whiskey, what happens after a census is this. Once the population of the US is counted, the 435 seats in the House of Representatives are divided equally among the states. What's supposed to happen is that each representative is representing the same number of people, no matter where they are from...so if there were 435 million people in the US, each state would get a representative for every million people it had in the state. Every state gets at least one member of the House, and every state (no matter how big or small) gets 2 US Senators.

The electoral college is apportioned based on the layout of the members of the house, plus the 2 members of the senate. So, the Electoral College is very much based on population distribution, and the system has adapted to growth quite nicely. The only thing about it that distorts the popular vote is the winner-take-all awarding of delegates on a state by state basis.
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« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2008, 10:00:32 AM »
eskimo..  I did say that there would be a maximum.

Even so.. there are a few studies out on the current situation and they range from the college giving rural people a slight edge to kalifornia voters having about 3.3 times the impact of people in Wyoming. 

your example is pretty good tho..  what does someone in the ghetto of new york city know about being an eskimo?   about the stuff that is under the cement in the three blocks that is his world for that matter?

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« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2008, 02:52:26 PM »
I'm wondering if you're barking up the wrong tree here, Laz.

Is the trouble really that the voting system gives disproportionate power to urban areas, or is it that our culture has simply once again become more liberal? After all, you could also say that the current system over represents the groups that care enough to vote, at the expense of those who do not vote. (Comparison here would be against the "?ideal democracy" where every person spoke up and decisions were made by majority opinion.)

By that standard, these groups generally get power disproportionate to their numbers: the elderly, the educated, those over 45, non-Hispanic whites, and veterans.

It seems to me that the US democracy works just about right, since we generally get leaders who reflect the nature of the average American citizen. (As in: shallow, short term outlook, out for themselves, pushy to the point of aggressiveness, not that good at understanding other people's perspectives, etc.) Since we live in a democracy, wouldn't it make sense to either work to change the nature of the citizenry, or to move to a place that better reflects our nature -- as opposed to essentially gerrymandering to get the outcome we want?
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« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2008, 10:23:03 AM »
simar.. I have always moved to places where the busybodies leave me alone more..   the problem is that in this modern age.. it is increasingly difficult to escape laws that are meaningless to the rural person.   The caged rats in the city see things in a 180 degree different way than the rural dwellers.. there is even a movement (using the environment as an excuse) to make it impossible to live in the country.   

I will not see this one come to be I don't think..  I will live out my life long before orwells 1984 happens.. perhaps it never will... perhaps the very real and very large rift between red and blue will cause a revolution of a kind or..   the pendulum will just swing back.

I will weather it out in any case.   

Perhaps we will not have to choose between the lesser of two evils much longer.   or..  we could just have more creeping socialism and phony environmental activism till everyone is boxed up and under control of a huge government.   

either way..  I will be fine and not have to participate.   Move out a little and it will be 30 years before they start looking at me.. I will be fine while they are picking you guys bones clean.

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