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Offline -ammo-

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2000, 07:39:00 PM »
noone wants to kill ya wolf37

However I believe it was entirely accurate to see AC that high, Ive read accounts of cruising altitudes of 27K and such.

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2000, 09:51:00 PM »
 Alt = advantage. It's the only reason people go that hi.
 And it's not historical. Sure some did go that high. In the ETO. Not in Afrika and Italy as the airwar was lower mainly due to the ground support/attack element. And the CAP was lower to protect said ground support/attack.

 Now add in frozen guns as well as pilots hands and feet, frosted up canopies and the necessity for oxygen, well, then you might stand a chance of getting folks lower.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2000, 03:29:00 AM »
I was the 3rd. defunct B26 assigned to Licata.

First of all, It was a ton of fun. And very immersive (I'm not referring to the drowning part, heheh).

I have to make a strong claim because the sandwiches we ordered to stand our 90 min. waiting at the Tower, never arrived (I can understand no beer allowed before the mission, but the sandwiches...)  

Well, after all the mess with allowed airplanes, and starving to death due to lack of said sandwiches, we finally took off to Licata in a quite open formation flying very very low (90 to 200 ft). We take direct Hdg. to the target, and start climbing some 40 miles away from it. We made to Licata with some 10k alt., only to find a group of 6+ 205's with some emotional problems, very angry with us, even we didn't drop a single bomb yet   . MarkAT, my gunner, made an astounding job of one 205, but another one sew our right wing (we were jumped by no less that 3 cons). I tried to turn to the sea to bail over Ocean, but our jump was too close to shore, and I was killed by AAA fire.

Along with my R.I.P. ad. on the newspapers, notices of the damage inflicted to the evil Axis powers somehow cherished my soul. Still, aaa wiped out and 3 defenders out not enough punishment to revenge 3 good B26's crews lost in action.


All in all, It was a blast. I look forward next saturday afternoon   .

On the other hand, and IMHO, we should solve some Issues about next B26's Missions:

a) Missions should be either planned in advance or posted on the Mission Viewer (if possible).

b) For us not so profficient in English, It is hard to understand RW communications. I would ask important orders, like Abort, etc., could be repeated on text bar in capital letters).

c) Flight Leader role is essential in mission's success (given that success not allways means destroying the assigned target and almost allways means returning home safe). When I'm in this type of mission, I just follow my FL's orders. So, FL HAS to be (if possible) an experienced buff driver so that correct altitude and lining is achieved when over the target.

d) It is crucial to keep buff formations tight. Distances over 200 yards are invitations to fighters to wipe us out one by one. In this sense, It is very important to have gunners.

Just my 0'02, before I give a <S> to Hangtime for being able to keep over the headache that he sure has had trying to manage this troupe. And Thks OleNick and NHFoxtro. It was great experience for me too.

Pepino.

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2000, 10:32:00 PM »
All the CM has to do is state an alt cap. I've never been a part of a flight that abused this, nor have I seen this abused.

If alt is an issue here, there is an easy fix.

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2000, 10:59:00 PM »
Hmmmmmm.

I flew 3 flights in the Med arena earlier today that Busc had arranged.  Axis assault on Malta.

1st flight was 3 Spit IXs v 3 109s and a Ju88.  No alt cap so spits went to 27k and found 109s at about 26k, 109s dragged low.....dogfight at about 10k ensued.....all Axis planes shot down for the loss of Zero spitfires.  :-)  result.

2nd flight was 11 Spits (mix of Vs and IXs) v mix of 109s and 205s.  Alt CAP was 15k which was strictly observed by the Spits (I made sure of that).  This time the spits found the flight of fighters about 30 miles north of Malta, Axis flight was slightly lower than Allied again, at about 14k.  As the dogfight panned out a lone JU-88 and a 109 made it to Malta.  The 109 tried to straff the field and was shot down by ack, the Ju-88 dropped it's bombs and lowered fuel to 75% at the field before being shot down by ack.  All Axis aircraft were shot down but only 1 spit RTB'd.

3rd flight.

Same as before but due to the fuel issue (only 75% at the field) Spits were ordered to climb to the 15k alt limit and then throttle back and loiter over Malta.  When the enemy was spotted it was noted by more than 1 Allied pilot that Axis fighters were well over 15k.

Soon as I spotted them I noted that ALL of them were well over 15k.  I mentioned this to Busc on ch1 and he replied that he was sorry but it had just happend and he hadnt had time to set a serious wind effect at 15k to discourage people from going there.....


All I can say is.....er.....well, I made damn sure the spits stayed under 15k (well ok, I know at least 1 that went over but he got moaned at) and then I see EVERY Axis fighter in the game at well over 17k.....and Busc was leading em!  I mean shreckin 'ell but that's taking the piss more than a little.

Anyway, results were all allied fighters shot down, however, we did get the Ju88(s?) and prevent any further bombs dropping on Malta.


back to the point.

I have no objection at all to an alt cap. However, when I (as self appointed acting Allied CO since no-one else appeared to be taking charge) attempt to make sure all my forces obey that alt limit I expect the Axis forces to do the same.  Now a few fighters going over the limit is acceptable.....but not bleedin' all of 'em!  


Anyway, it was still great fun.  S! to Busc for smoothly organising another great event and allowing me to shoot him down (first went the engine, next went the right wing tip, then the term 'lawn dart' could be applied).  ;-)

Swoop

P.S.  this post is not a moan, merely a statement of fact that alt limit are abused unless arena settings prohibit it.....even by Busc himself.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2000, 11:28:00 PM »
ARR From Frenchy

It was an another hot day at Souk El Alba, the newly arrived P47-D25 where standing there, all lined up ready for combat. Ripsnort already armed the planes and briefed MRPluto, Ammo and RA for the mission. the mission... I was expecting a ground attack for our first day, but we got assigned to escort b17's to Sardaigna. Load out, 75% of fuel plus 2 drop tanks... max amo of course. Intelligence officer advised us we could expect Ju88s, Machi 205s and Me109s.

We took off heading 360, to establish a CAP half way between the north African cost and the Sardaigna. I had only one concern in mind : Not loose any aircraft. I saw many times in combat eager pilots getting fixated by their target and forget about basic Situation Awarness... Especially in those early days of combat. We separated in two elements (Ripsnort and his wingman MRPluto) and (my wingman Ammo and me). At 27K 30 NM south of Sardaigna we spoted a massive formation higher than us. I our division to turn 180 to the South to gain more altitude. When came back toward the south at about 32K and encountered the enemi formation again. They were slightly above us. I dispatched Ripsnort/MRPluto to do a quick pass thru them and drag them back to us. Meanwhile, Ammo and me, turned away still grabing altitude. "205s!!!" Announces Ripsnort... "12 of them!". They flew thru them and dragged back toward us. Instead of following, the 205 divided in two groups, we kept our patience and flew away from them. We met RA who joined with us, he took off late from our airfield.

Our division was starting to get low on gas, we decided to go check over A1, do a quick B&Z if spotting any bad guys and come back home to refuel to then join the buffs for the escort.

Over A1, we encountered some lower contact. As we dived toward them, they dove away. I ordered Ripsnort/MRpluto to engage them while Ammo and me stayed high to cover them in case they are in trouble or in case an another enemi flight comes around.

Ripsnort went very low (scared me) but he could achieve a kill and egress the area thank to his wingman cover. From high, I saw Ra manouevering with 2 205's in his 6. I rolled 110 degrees and dove in. I did a quick pass thru the 205s, I was too fast to shoot at them but I scared them enought to oblige them to leave RA's six o'clock. An another 205 thought he could catch up with me while I was zooming by his teamates, but it was a mistake. Ammo dove in and blew his tail away. We all kept our speed and egress toward the south.

When clear from the combat zone, we regrouped and congratulated each other... 2 kills.... no losses yet... all that thank to our teamwork covering each other, not getting fixated with targets, looking at each others 6.

We went to refuel at A7, streessing moments... we established an order for landing, stayed in line, then 1 after the other taxing to the refuel point, then took off with interval, still in the same order. it was a beautifull seight to see those P47's upping in line, going on a shallow left climbing turn one after the other. There again, our pilots discipline made our refuelling safe, no collisions.

We went back up to rendez-vous with the buffs, somewhere along their intended route, North of North Africa. Over the radio, we learned that their mission was aborted. We also noticed that the P38s where not at their CAP point, we all wished they were "ok", not somewhere in the sea below.

We proceeded to a last flight toward A1 to see what's left there. We encountered a flight of 10 bandits, co-alt. About 8 205s and 2 Me109s. "Ok boys, remember... stay alive.. we doing great so far... don't die now!"

We did some quick passes, trying to find some opportunity kills without getting too much in trouble. We spotted a lost B17 way lower, around 25K. "the fool"... I saw at least 3 205's diving toward him, I followed them at high speed. I remember Ripsnort calling other the radio :" Now, don't go all dying because of this guy". I checked my 6, I was fast... 520-550 TAS, I was fast enought to be safe. The B17 blew up 4K in my 12 while I saw 1 of the 205 pitching back up in a shallow climb. "Buddy, you are next...". I closed on him very fast, close from compressing, i opened fire at 900y. I saw bullets impacts all other his wings... from the left to the right, then back left, then left again. While zooming past him, I was stuned to see him in one piece, braking away. I was disapointed... I saw 205's blowing up with way less lead into them... oh well, next time. While leveling I checked my 6. A Me 109 was trying to catch up with me about 2k away, but I was still very fast. I also spoted my wingman Ammo diving on him. I smiled, I kept my flight path straigth, the 109 was still fixating on me, he never saw Ammo blowing up his left wing with his 8 50 caliber. Teamwork payed again.

Time for the Return to base. We all landed safely. I was surprised. We never really knew each other but we could work toghether great. No losses... 3 kills... what a day. I believe we are the only squadron who didn't loose an aircraft. Teamwork, good judgement, skill and luck. I don't know if we will be as sucessfull in the future, but I'm looking foward to work with this great bunch of guys. Salute to the 345th!
Dat jugs bro.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2000, 09:27:00 AM »
Damn. These are some fine AAR's   Wish I could have flown yesterday  

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2000, 09:54:00 AM »
Westy, all but Swoop's AAR are from Saturday's med league mission!

The next med league mission will be flown tonight - don't miss it!

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<edit> LOL, I guess you knew this already Westy. Next time I might have to think before I post.   </edit>

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