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Offline Chalenge

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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2008, 06:45:33 PM »
Both of you have enough evidence within this one thread to solve the issue.

I blame mother nature herself. How dare she have so many eruptions in such a short period of time! I mean its no wonder we have so many problems with carbon dioxide since Mt St Helens alone probably let off more then ten times to carbon dioxide of mankinds total! We should sue the Earth for attempting suicide.
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2008, 01:32:47 AM »
Bozon:
"There is absolutely ZERO evidence that whatever is happening, if anything is happening at all, is man made. ZERO."

Sounds like a theory ....
That is not a theory, this is a simple statement of the facts. If there is evidence, please bring it to my attention and no, correlations are not evidence. I don't say that humans are not responsible - what I say is that we have no evidence that support this, so it COULD be true. The current situation does not justify a world wide operation to restrict economies of developing countries, or damaging those of the developed ones, nor does it justify the waste of time and resources. I don't say "do nothing". Further research should be conducted and development of measures of dealing with weather extremes will not be a waste either way. This should not be done in "panic" mode though.
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2008, 10:38:03 AM »
Okay, to work from what we know. And it's evidence is ample...
1. Atmosphere ingredients affect the temperatures we trap.
2. Earths surface affects radiation input.
3. Earths vegetation affects both.

For what we should know is that mankind affects all 3, noteably 2 & 3. The manner affected is most for warming effect, although there is some on the cooling effect. (dimming). So, we do not know exactly how much, but that's about it. No theory.
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2008, 10:43:22 AM »
You armchair researchers are still lecturing the real scientists on how to interpret their data? :P
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2008, 11:08:51 AM »
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One needs only to look at the way the climate system is currently responding, to realize there is something out of whack.  The sun is in a low output period, our orbit is snug and non-eccentric at this time, and it was 70 in the upper midwest a couple days ago.  70 yesterday in the Mid- Atlantic.  Tornado warnings in the heartland in late december.  These things are out of whack for the amount of energy being put into this closed system called earth. 

Moray.... All your rhetoric really is what "Theory" you belive in. Take all you data and yes you see a trend. Trends do happen in climates. Although it is not common, even in cold periods, there could be 70 degree temps in the winter in the midwest. If you really knew more, you would realize jet streams have a lot to do with real time weather. I am not totally disagreeing with you. You are getting hooked into trying to show that you are right. Any short term data will have certain interpretations. We will not know if this is "Global Warming" for hundreds if not thousands of years from now.

One thing is for certain. Drastic changes are happening over a short period of time(decades). If we ignore the fact that this may be 'Global Warming" and we are wrong, we may be in serious trouble. Models show in the next 50-100 years there may be no snow or ice left at the Artic Circle. The Northwest traffic lanes will be open for transportation. Countries are currently negotiating with the UN for sea rights! We cannot ignore this anymore and we should try to help the environent as much as we can. Moray jr. will definitely see the effects. LOL
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #80 on: January 01, 2009, 07:06:41 AM »
If you decrease earths forestral vegetation by 50% and replace with something that traps sunlight much better, then double co2 AND methane, well, you have a formula that will cause warming. No theory at all. The only debate is the extent of the effect, ranging between miniscule and enough to worry. No hype or silly theory here.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)