The P-51... And her flaps.

[Cthulhu]

The nose up thing is kind of annoying if you are constantly dropping and dumping several notches of flaps...I dunno about you, but having to apply back-pressure on the stick is fairly natural, if I have to push forward on the stick to keep the nose from rising, all sorts of bounce and the gunnery goes to hell. Trim input takes time and finding the right key. I need more buttons so I can map one to trim I suppose.

Hey, I fly a Dora. The only time I drop flaps is to hopefully slow down below 200 before belly-flopping dead stick on to the runway.

But I know what you're talking about. You have scaled your stick to minimize nose bounce haven't you?

[BnZs]

Hey, I fly a Dora. The only time I drop flaps is to hopefully slow down below 200 before belly-flopping dead stick on to the runway.

But I know what you're talking about. You have scaled your stick to minimize nose bounce haven't you?

I tried having it scaled for a long time, but it actually seems to work better for me unscaled. Except for GVing, I click the scaling back on to have smooth movement on the turret.

No, the bouncing difficulties I'm talking about come purely from fighting the nose pitching up tendency when I either don't have time or neglect to reach over and input alot of nosedown trim.

[RTHolmes]

arent only the first notch or 2 supposed to be for manouvering on US birds and the rest for landing? the max speed you can deploy them should give an indication of what theyre for, any more than 2 in a jug or corsair feels more like an airbrake to me.

[Cthulhu]

arent only the first notch or 2 supposed to be for manouvering on US birds and the rest for landing? the max speed you can deploy them should give an indication of what theyre for, any more than 2 in a jug or corsair feels more like an airbrake to me.

You know, that's probably a good rule of thumb for all aircraft.

[BnZs]

arent only the first notch or 2 supposed to be for manouvering on US birds and the rest for landing? the max speed you can deploy them should give an indication of what theyre for, any more than 2 in a jug or corsair feels more like an airbrake to me.

Flaps continue to minimize turn radius and lower the speed at which you can still hang into the air out to full...the thing about AHII vs. real life is that we have auto-retracting flaps and never have to worry about jamming/tearing them off at high IAS.

[Cthulhu]

the thing about AHII vs. real life is that we have auto-retracting flaps and never have to worry about jamming/tearing them off at high IAS.

Same can be said for the F4U's gear.

Data says:

Max deployment speed: Limit speed with gear down & locked:

250 kts 350 kts

But if I understand correctly, the F4U's gear can be deployed in-game at practically any speed. But that's another matter.

[SectorNine50]

Same can be said for the F4U's gear.

Data says:

Max deployment speed: Limit speed with gear down & locked:

250 kts 350 kts

But if I understand correctly, the F4U's gear can be deployed in-game at practically any speed. But that's another matter.

That is because the F4U's had a dive brake setting on their landing gear that would only drop the front gear and would keep the tail wheel up.  You can drop the front gear at very high speeds but the tail wheel was a little more flimsy.  This is just an easy way to execute it in-game.

[Cthulhu]

That is because the F4U's had a dive brake setting on their landing gear that would only drop the front gear and would keep the tail wheel up.  You can drop the front gear at very high speeds but the tail wheel was a little more flimsy.  This is just an easy way to execute it in-game.

You're correct that the mains only (and not the tail wheel) were lowered as dive brakes. That wasn't my concern. The gear could be lowered at relatively high speeds compared to other aircraft. I'm just wondering if it's not a bit excessive in AHII.

The following is from: http://homepage.eircom.net/~frontacs/WBStored/F4UGearAsDivebrakes.html

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"Got some more about F4U gear for you. All of the following is taken from the Air Ministry Pilot's notes for the Corsair I-IV for RAF and Royal Navy pilots."

Para 44 Flying Limitations

(iii) Dive Bombing

Maximum speed (u/c up)... ... ... ... 375 Knots IAS

Maximum speed for lowering u/c (dive brakes)... 250 KIAS

Maximum speed u/c down ... ... ... ... ... 350 KIAS

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It's obvious that the gear was incredibly strong once down and locked, but the max deployment speed is 100kts less. I know there are F4U Manuals out there for sale. Hopefully someone has one and can provide some clarification.

[Bronk]

Dean's AHT
"The gear was not to be extended over 300 mph IAS or retracted over 400mph IAS."

[Chalenge]

Quoting Widewing:

It has nothing to do with E bleed in the Jug.

With full flaps, a P-47D-25 sustains a turning radius over 50 feet smaller than a P-51D with full flaps, as well as a faster rate of turn.

We've tested these individually and head to head. I've said it many times; the drag model update absolutely killed the P-51s and their ability to maneuver at speeds below corner velocity with flaps deployed. Anything more than 3 notches of flaps is virtually worthless. All you do is trade a small decease in radius for a big hit in turn rate.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,212053.105.html

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[SectorNine50]

Is widewing saying there is an error?  Or it was modified and corrected an error?

[Demetrious]

C_L increases, but Lift may or may not.
In other words, C_L does increase with increased flaps, but like BnZ said, drag increases disproportionately, so unless you have huge additional power at your disposal

That'd explain why the Jug(s) seem to get so much mileage out of full flaps. That 2,000 HP Double Wasp has firepower to spare. I think. The Jug is underpowered as is.

[Stoney]

I'd give my eye teeth for large flap deflections in AHII to cause nose-down pitching, instead of having to reach over the keyboard and input full nose-down trim once I get into a slow fight w/flaps....

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,193021.0.html

I brought this up a couple of years ago.  Pyro said they were going to make a change, but nothing has happened...