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« on: October 28, 2000, 06:49:00 PM »
The B6N was a conventional-looking aircraft, but was in some respects superior to Allied torpedo-aircraft of the same period. The Tenzan ("Heavenly Mountain") was a slender and clean-lined machine with no internal weapons bay.  The torpedo was carried offset to the right,  with the large oil cooler offset to the other side.  The big Mamori engine of the B6N1, driving a four-blade Hamilton-type propeller, underwent severe vibration and overheating. Although it was kept in service it was replaced in production by the the B6N2.  The lower power of the older and well-tried Kasen engine was compensated for by improved streamlining, which gave less drag.

Tenzans went into action for the first time in late 1943, off Bougainville in the Solomon Islands.  At the major Battle of the Philippine Sea the air complement of the Mobile Fleet's carriers included some 80 B6Ns. Towards the end of the war some Tenzans were equipped with radar for night torpedo attacks on Allied shipping. Additionally, many Jills were employed in kamikaze attacks on the US fleet,  especially during the Okinawa campaign in April and May of 1945.


Origin:  Nakajima Hikoki KK

Type:  Three-seat carrier-based and land-based torpedo-bomber

Dimensions:  Span 48' 10" - Length 35' 8" - Height (B6N1) 12' 2" (B6N2) 12' 6"

Weight:  6,636 lb empty,  11,464 loaded (normal) 12,456 loaded (maximum).

Engine:  (B6N1)  One 1,870 hp Nakajima Mamori-11 14-cylinder two-row radial.
               (B6N2)  One 1,850 hp Mitsubishi Kasei-25 14-cylinder two-row radial.

Armament:   One x 7.7 mm machine-gun, manually-aimed, in rear cockpit
                      One x 7.7 mm machine-gun, manually-aimed by middle crew member, in rear ventral position
                      One  800 kg torpedo (18-inch) - or six x 100 kg bombs - under fuselage


Aichi B7A Ryusei (Shooting Star)

Allied Code Name: "Grace"

UNITS ALLOCATED

752nd and Yokosuka Kokutais.
TECHNICAL DATA

Description: Single-engined carrier-borne torpedo and dive-bomber. All-metal construction with fabric-covered control surfaces.

Accommodation: Crew of two in tandem enclosed cockpits.

Powerplant:
One Nakajima NK9B Homare 11 eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial, rated at 1,800 hp for take-off, 1440 hp at 1,800 m and 1,560 hp at 6,400 m, driving a constant-speed four-blade metal propeller (B7A1 protorypes).
One Nakajima NK9C Homare 12 eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial, rated at 1,825 hp for take-off, 1,670 hp at 2,400 m and 1,560 hp at 6,550 m, driving a constant-speed four-blade metal propeller (production B7A2).
One Nakajima NK9H-S Homare 23 eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial, rated at 2,000 hp for take-off and 1,570 hp at 6,850 m, driving a constant-speed four-blade metal propeller (one experimental B7A2).
One Mitsubishi MK9A ([Ha-43] 11) eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial, rated at 2,200 hp for take-off, 2,070 hp at 1,000 m and 1,930 hp at 5,000 m, driving a constant-speed four-blade metal propeller (B7A3).

Armament:
Two wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon and one flexible rear-firing 7.92 mm Type 1 machine-gun (B7A1 and early production B7A2).
Two wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon and one flexible rear-firing 13 mm Type 2 machine-gun (late production B7A2).
Bomb-load: one 800 kg torpedo or up to 800 kg of bombs.

 Production: A total of 114 B7As were built as follows:

Aichi Kokuki K.K. at Funakata:
9 B7A1 prototypes (May 1942-Feb 1944)
80 B7A2 production aircraft (May 1944-July 1945)
Dai-Nijuichi Kaigun Kokusho at Omara (Sasebo):
25 B7A2 production aircraft (Apr 1944-Aug 1945)  

   Although the numbers are not LARGE they are for Japan whose total aircraft production numbers were WAY lower than say the US. These aircraft are also historically significant and would represent a nice addition to AH    
          Brady
 

 

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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2000, 07:06:00 AM »
The Grace would be the ultimate "pure" torpedo bomber that is possible from WWII.

I would love to see one in AH someday

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »
Well?

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2001, 09:17:00 AM »
I would rather the Val and/or kate.  They were used in Pearl and the mainstay of their carrier Bomber/torp planes. The grace saw very little action.  

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »
I vote for Jill as T/B and Judy as D/B.

Then a Kate and a Val.

Grace saw almost no service at all. Wont be usable in CT nor in scenarios. Maybe in the future yes, but I dont see it having a place in AH's planeset at this moment.

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by brady:
Well?

I suppose that a complete suite of naval aircraft could be introduced including the
Douglas SBD-5 Dauntless, Curtiss SB2C Helldiver (Beast) as well as the Fairey Swordfish. Add to this, the Kate, Val and those you have suggested and you would have a reasonable collection of WWII carrier aircraft. Indeed, this is one area where I feel that AH is lacking. Also, where are the F4F-3 and FM-2 Wildcats?

My regards,

Widewing

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My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2001, 03:37:00 PM »
Which "Judy"?

D4Y1(660+ built)
 

or

D4Y3(536+ built)
 

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2001, 07:03:00 PM »
Nice Pics!

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2001, 01:11:00 AM »
I got to see an unrestored Jill [see snapshot below] on Monday at the Garber restoration facility of the National Air & Space Museum.  I also thought that it would be a great addition to the planeset.  Note that the colors appear to match the above drawing.
   

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2001, 01:34:00 AM »
brady, I got them from this site: www.warbirdpix.com  - heaps of b+w pics of German and Japanese planes scanned from books, plus colour museum photos.