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Offline kilo2

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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2010, 07:24:12 PM »
LaGG-3 as well

but the yak-3 would be goof as well
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2010, 07:51:31 PM »
YES! To Grumman Dauntless. Looks like a shortened fuselage F6F with greater top speed, greater climb 30%, and lighter 20%.  :salute

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1) We already have the Dauntless. It's a dive-bomber made by Douglass.
2) You're probably mistaking it with the F8F, which wasn't even in the war zone yet when the war ended (en route, but didn't make it).
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2010, 09:49:55 PM »
YES! To Grumman Dauntless. Looks like a shortened fuselage F6F with greater top speed, greater climb 30%, and lighter 20%.  :salute

What the Dauntless?  That doesnt even look like an f6f look i'll show you.
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And we already have the dauntless.
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 04:21:08 AM »
the dauntless was gimped during the war (must have sucked as much as being a TBM pilot/crew - you know you are gonna die) and in AH. . .

anyway, I really want to see more russian and japanese planes - but I will settle for the Yak-3 to start (such a nice crate that. . .drooling at the possibility of a lighter, faster, more manuverable Yak-9U) and yes, I will be begging for the tri-colour spinner!!

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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 08:27:08 AM »
the dauntless was gimped during the war (must have sucked as much as being a TBM pilot/crew - you know you are gonna die) and in AH. . .


Actually, Dauntless crews loved their planes. Most of them were dragged into transitioning to the SB2C kicking and screaming.
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2010, 10:09:23 AM »
the dauntless was gimped during the war (must have sucked as much as being a TBM pilot/crew - you know you are gonna die)

Tell that to the Japanese Navy.

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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2010, 10:12:43 AM »
Tell that to the Japanese Navy.

No doubt. The only thing that sunk more enemy tonnage than the Dauntless during WWII was the submarine.
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2010, 12:14:02 PM »
Actually, Dauntless crews loved their planes. Most of them were dragged into transitioning to the SB2C kicking and screaming.
I understand why. Super maneuverable plane, great weapons package, sturdily built, and a gun on the back to keep whoever is on your six off while you are maneuvering. Why would anyone want to get a whole new plane?
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2010, 11:11:32 PM »
What the Dauntless?  That doesnt even look like an f6f look i'll show you.
F6f
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Dauntless
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And we already have the dauntless.
I googled F-8F and got an extensive article with the wrong photo's. They had what looked like an F6F and were calling it the F8F...? :headscratch:
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Re: A Pretty Large Aircraft Wishlist...
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2010, 11:41:09 AM »
Bearcats were a wartime development, tested, and actually built before the war ended. As with the F7F Tigercat, they were en route to the Pacific when the war ended. My grandfather was a radio operator aboard the USS Langley (CVL-27) that carried VF-18 and 19 to the PTO in June/July of '45. So technically, yes, they were squadron strength before the end of the war, but they obviously never saw combat. Hell, even the AD-1 Skyraider was designed, tested and flown before the end of WW2, albeit in protoype form.

The SBD was loved by its crews (had lunch with an SBD driver the other day!). The SB2C, especially the early variants, were not. Although faster and capable of carrying a bigger payload, it was a larger target that was difficult to fly, had a slew of problems including structural failures, electrical problems, and directional instability. These were all addressed by the time -4 arrived and it went on to be a successful aircraft. Same thing with the B-26 initially, and it went on to be the most-survivable bomber of WW2.

One of the problems we face with dive bombing in AH is that typically, there's only a couple of ppl attacking a CV group at any one time. With ack the way it is, a single a/c has far less of a chance of surviving than a typical squadron strength of 12 aircraft, so ppl don't do it. Besides that, with P-47s and -38s carrying as much (or more) as a dive bomber, the ability to tangle with fighters once you drop your bombs is more desirable. But... if 12 SBDs came down on a CV at the same time, chances are its over for the CV, as the ack can't get everyone at the same time.

As for the original list...here's my short list...

A-26 Invader, PB4Y-2, He-177, J2M, G.55, Yak-3

Course, since its a wishlist, how about SAR, artillery, and the ability to bring tanks ashore with LSTs?

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