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Offline Eaglecz

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« on: September 01, 2001, 07:20:00 AM »
Im not ww2 planes expert but..... i dont think , that Fw190 should shake same while fireing MG and Cannons.
Also some light plane like 109 F4 shakeing like a mad while fireing MG.
I realy have no idea if it is right or not.

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2001, 08:44:00 AM »
Eagle i seem to recall reading something about a p47 pilot who when he first fired the guns said he lost focus in his eyes due to vibration  :D
I think they realy did cause that sort of stuff.AH was not as good before the vibration was added IMO. It made it feel much more like you are firing something powerfull.

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2001, 05:35:00 PM »
I shot 12.5mm (~50 cal) machine gun a few times in my life. The vibration was quie noticeable but nowhere near as severe as the one we experience in AH.

 Of course that was only one MG, not two or for or six. Besides, it was attached not to a flexible wing of a flimsy airplane suspended in thin air but to a turret of a 42-ton T-72 battletank.   :)

 The vibration modelled in AH seems right to me.

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2001, 09:25:00 PM »
Edit your gunsight and REMOVE the crosshairs.  Fire by tracers alone.

It's alot easier to concentrate on shooting, because only the cockpit shakes, not the gunfire stream of bullets.

As for vibration, I'm no expert.  The only evidence I have is gun camera footage.  Everyone thinks of tracers and they think of squigly lines that flip end for end towards the target.  Thats because the camera is shaking, because the whole airplane is shaking.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2001, 05:46:00 AM »
Actually, lemme edit that a bit.

Remove the vertical crosshairs of your sight, and space the horizontal bits as far apart as possible.

like this.

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Whenever possible, jack your seat up so you don't even use the sights at all.  The Typhoon is an excelent plane for that (all the way up and back).

I notice the cockpit shake very little because of it, especially when zoomed in when you can't see much of the window frame.

Hans.

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2001, 09:55:00 PM »
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Originally posted by LtHans:
Whenever possible, jack your seat up so you don't even use the sights at all.

Not trying to start an argument or anything but I think that this is pretty poor advice.  Aiming by tracers alone is a good way to lower your marksmanship, not improve it.  It can only lead to spray and pray tactics, not good if you want to fly fighters with low rate-of-fire weapons (ie some of the cannons) or low ammo loads.

Instead, turn your tracers off.  This will allow you to concentrate on your sight picture more than worrying about where the bullet stream is.  You will then be able to concentrate more on flying for a kill, not gunning for it.  By that I mean you should rely on your piloting skills to get you in a position to make a kill rather than having a super weapon load that will let you spray rounds at your target until you can hit him.

If you search in the Help and Training section of this BBS for gunnery articles you will find plenty of good advice on how to get better at shooting.  Then the vibration will be an immersive feature rather than a distraction.   :cool:

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2001, 11:25:00 PM »
You know... Until I see posts like this one, I almost forget the head movement and cockpit shakes in AH. Although I have become so farmiliar with these two features that I don't really notice them anymore, I really think I would miss them if HTC took them away. It makes for a much more in depth feeling of actual flight, I think  :)

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2001, 11:59:00 PM »
Well i have a microsoft force feedback joystick and i must say that i realy feel the vibrations.  :)
But only this give me problems aiming, not the shaking of the screen, realy.

I have to tone it down a bit, because if i do not hit my target the first burst, he is gone and i am screwed (im not that good a pilot)
Wait till the target is in sight for more than one thenth of a second and open up with all that you got!  :)


I suggest you take a heavygunned aircraft(190 a series, F-4uC, P-47, P-38 and some others)

The 109's are also ok of course, but have fewer cannons.

Greetings,

JG5FaBi.