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Offline Fishu

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2009, 07:57:01 PM »
Thank you for answering.

My first reaction was that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  For example, you can't change the allocation of space on a hard drive without disrupting the file system.  Therefore, if you repartition your drive you have to format the new partitions with a new file system before you can access them with an OS.  This should be quite obvious.  In fact it's so obvious that I considered that you might be trolling.  Either you're trolling, or you like posting arguments about things you really don't understand.

Fortunately I wasn't aware of this fact before. I have repartitioned my hard drive without having to format it (the old or new partition; of course if you like to twiddle with semantics then the new drive is formatted in a sense, but the data is not lost). Like I said, it can be done with proper tools, like partition magic for one. These proper tools can change the partition tables without losing any data (what comes to Windows).

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Then I saw you are from Finland, and considered that English is probably not your primary language.  Maybe you misunderstand the "formatting" we're talking about.  Since you are probably an intelligent person, I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

I would always wish to know what I might have misunderstood, other than simply being put down for having english as the foreign language. You can't learn an error without knowing where you've gone wrong, lest defend your argument.

Generally "formatting" means the act of setting up a file system and erasing the information of all of the pre-existing data in the clusters assigned to the new file system, resulting in an empty file system. Though, the data written to the disk can be still retrieved, unless the clusters are overwritten with new data.

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So, which is it?  Do you not understand what we're talking about, or do you just argue things you don't understand?

Well, I do have 17 years of experience with PC systems, preceeded by experience of Amiga, Atari and Commodore 64; and even more experience in english (especially back then there wasn't much of a choice). Though, that is not to say I couldn't be erred or indeed misunderstand. However I can understand english much better than I can speak it, so do not let my grammar errors make you think otherwise.

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If you really can't think of a reason why someone would want to format a drive on occasion, then you really don't have any credibility with me in this thread.

In the case of re-installing Windows I can't. Otherwise there's only a handful of situations where you really need to reformat. Of course everyone is free to reformat their HDD as much as they wish, but most of the times I find it to be too much of a hassle. Yes, I'm lazy and I will always try to find a way around reformat; re-installing Windows is the easiest.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2009, 07:58:37 PM by Fishu »

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2009, 05:20:26 PM »
LOL, you know what's really funny? This is happening to me right now not a day after I made fun of it... I took the RAM and HD and DVD burner out of my ded PC and put it in our old one, but I don't have the drivers and stuff, woohoo! I guess I gotta burn a disc with em on it...

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2009, 12:12:19 PM »
LOL, you know what's really funny? This is happening to me right now not a day after I made fun of it... I took the RAM and HD and DVD burner out of my ded PC and put it in our old one, but I don't have the drivers and stuff, woohoo! I guess I gotta burn a disc with em on it...


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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2009, 12:18:15 PM »
My first reaction was that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  For example, you can't change the allocation of space on a hard drive without disrupting the file system.  Therefore, if you repartition your drive you have to format the new partitions with a new file system before you can access them with an OS.  This should be quite obvious.  

Only if your experience is limited to the very poor set of tools inherent to windows OS. Try Parted Magic for example (free linux based partitioning tool).

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Features

    * Format internal and external hard drives.
    * Move, copy, create, delete, expand & shrink hard drive partitions.
    * Clone your hard drive, to create a full backup.
    * Test hard drives for impending failure.
    * Test memory for bad sectors.
    * Benchmark your computer for a performace rating.
    * Securely erase your entire hard drive, wiping it clean from all data.
    * Gives access to non-booting systems allowing you to rescue important data.
    * Runs from the CD, no install required.

http://partedmagic.com

Oh and you can upgrade an existing file system to a higher level i.e. Fat32 -> ntfs without reformatting. In fact some OEM systems came with an option to do an upgrade via a simple .bat while preinstalled with Fat32.

http://forums.windowsforum.org/index.php?showtopic=15487
« Last Edit: December 07, 2009, 12:25:23 PM by MrRiplEy[H] »
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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2009, 07:17:49 PM »
yeah I got the net up and runnin, but I can't get Vista to load...  glad I put XP on it before this happened  :D

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2009, 08:17:53 AM »
yeah I got the net up and runnin, but I can't get Vista to load...  glad I put XP on it before this happened  :D

Just dump Vista, it's awful. Windows 7 and XP are the only two choices.

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2010, 07:34:38 PM »
@ Fishu  and everyone else reading this thread.

I was dead wrong.

I didn't believe it until I had a chance to explore it and do it.

You certainly CAN modify the partitions on a Windows XP machine with the OS remaining in tact, and without completely rebuilding.

I apologize not just for being wrong, but for being wrong and arrogant.  :o

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2010, 10:28:31 PM »
try formatting the hard drive....


and finding out your windows cd is scratched and unusable. no reinstall for juu

 :o :mad:

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2010, 11:00:09 PM »
Fishu, Excelent post, I loved reading this.

Your English is much better than most people who were born speaking it, comprehension and writing. S!

PS: very classy Stalwart, the appology




Thank you for answering.

Fortunately I wasn't aware of this fact before. I have repartitioned my hard drive without having to format it (the old or new partition; of course if you like to twiddle with semantics then the new drive is formatted in a sense, but the data is not lost). Like I said, it can be done with proper tools, like partition magic for one. These proper tools can change the partition tables without losing any data (what comes to Windows).

I would always wish to know what I might have misunderstood, other than simply being put down for having english as the foreign language. You can't learn an error without knowing where you've gone wrong, lest defend your argument.

Generally "formatting" means the act of setting up a file system and erasing the information of all of the pre-existing data in the clusters assigned to the new file system, resulting in an empty file system. Though, the data written to the disk can be still retrieved, unless the clusters are overwritten with new data.

Well, I do have 17 years of experience with PC systems, preceeded by experience of Amiga, Atari and Commodore 64; and even more experience in english (especially back then there wasn't much of a choice). Though, that is not to say I couldn't be erred or indeed misunderstand. However I can understand english much better than I can speak it, so do not let my grammar errors make you think otherwise.

In the case of re-installing Windows I can't. Otherwise there's only a handful of situations where you really need to reformat. Of course everyone is free to reformat their HDD as much as they wish, but most of the times I find it to be too much of a hassle. Yes, I'm lazy and I will always try to find a way around reformat; re-installing Windows is the easiest.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2010, 11:01:45 PM by mechanic »
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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2010, 12:15:57 AM »
try formatting the hard drive....


and finding out your windows cd is scratched and unusable. no reinstall for juu

 :o :mad:

I'll go one better than that...your 7 year old decides he wants to help and when you turn and see him with it you scream NOOOOOO just as he drops the DVD and it lands on the edge popping a nice neat burst crack in the edge of it....instant coaster...M$ wanted me to send them the DVD as proof and $150 bucks. I said no thanks and used a 2nd DVD to install and used the serial number from the busted disk. Now I have to make a backup of that DVD before he gets that one.
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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2010, 04:15:45 AM »
You know what else sucks?

Forgetting to put the internet drivers onto a flashdrive... >.<

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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2010, 06:30:05 AM »
One of the many things I like to do immediately after installing any Windows is to move the "Documents and Settings" folder from the C: drive to a local network drive.  You have to edit the Windows registry to do it, but it sure does save a lot of time when you want to reinstall the OS on the local computer.
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Re: You know what sucks when you reformat a hard drive....
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2010, 07:14:53 AM »
Same here Skuzzy, and have done for years.

P.S. I hate Windows.
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