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Offline oboe

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AMD vs Pentium 4?
« on: September 28, 2001, 06:49:00 AM »
Its nearly time for another machine at my house.   I've never considered AMD before, but I understand its a faster chip than the P4?  That is, a 1.4 MHz Athlon is the equal in processing speed to a 1.7 or so P4. (or so I've read)

Is that true?  And the Athlon is cheaper as well? And memory for it is also less expensive?   Are there any drawbacks to the AMD processor?  

What reasons are there for sticking with Intel?

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2001, 07:34:00 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2001, 08:25:00 AM »
Oboe,
  For years I swore never to by an AMD.  Then the T-bird came out and I switched. I will stay with AMD until Intel can prove it is faster again.  The AMD is faster by far than the p4 at the moment.  The old K6 and older AMD had FPU problems but AMD has lined those out finally.
  The motherboard is the only difference you will have to have switching between pentium and AMD as each chip is made a bit differently but everything else is universal.

  Jump on across and enjoy.  I know I have!

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »
The only issue with the AMD stuff is cooling.  They require good heatsinks and fans.  (Actually 1.4 Tbird = about 1.9 or 2 gig P4.)  Because of it's dominance in FPU operations the Tbird 1.4 will pretty easily be faster in AH than the 2 gig P4.

The P4 will probably be around for a long time to come, once it hits around 3 GHz I might consider it.  (Assuming AMD doesn't come out with something better.)

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »
AMD is a good choice.  Intel is also a good choice.  Right now people are just focussing a tad bit too much on one or the other given just how little they are separated.  Go with what you can afford, or with what you are loyal too, or go with raw numbers.  Just be leary of anyone that tells you that one of the processors is a bad choice or will "blow the other away".

Neither are going to run AH slow enough for you to notice a difference.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2001, 06:53:00 PM »
AMD tbird is the best bang for the buck. It is still at $131.00 locally retail or about $115.00 on pricewatch. I got the AMD for my system. I was unhappy with AMD due to experiance with a K6 processor. It was supposed to be 250Mhz but ran slower than an old P1 I had at 133mhz. AMD has since taken care of that problem!  :) I use a 11.4gig now.  :D

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PS go with AMD and use the money you save for more ram and a better vid card!
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2001, 09:40:00 PM »
As it stands currently the flagship processors from both AMD and Intel are pretty even in terms of overall performance.  It really depends on what games/applications you run as to which is slightly faster there.  Truth be told as far as performance goes either CPU will be limited by the other components in your system.

I personally still favor AMD for the cost/performance level, but I won't say not to get a P4 system at this point IF AND ONLY IF you can get one with the 478 pin socket.  The current P4s (including some 1.9 and 2 Ghz models) are using a 423 pin socket that will no longer be supported for future P4s.  This means upgrading the processor will not be possible.

I also strongly discourage buying a system using the i845 chipset on it's motherboard, because doing so WILL allow the Athlon to "blow the P4 away."  (The i845 chipset currently uses the older SDR Sdram at pc100 speeds.  This really hurts the P4, as it's design MUST have high memory bandwidth to work.)  This leaves only 2 chipsets available to work with, either the Intel i850 (Rambus ram) or VIAs new P4x266 (Intel is currently after VIA in court for this one).  By the end of this year Intel will likely release it's "northwood" core P4s, which will be faster clock per clock than the older, current, "Willamette" core P4s.  All Northwoods will be 478 pin processors.

Also, PLEASE don't fall for some of the very cheap P4 systems on the market.  I saw an ad yesterday for a P4 system for under $1000.  The specs of this system would likely result in a computer no faster than a top of the line P2 300Mhz.   :eek:  They were:  P4 1.3 Ghz, Intel i845 based board with 64 Mb of cheap pc100 ram, a 5400 rpm 20 gig HD, integrated sound, and the real performance killer - a 32 Mb TNT2 M64 video card.  Advertising this system as "cutting edge" amounts to false advertising IMO.   :(

Right now I can guarantee you that all name brand systems are cutting corners (including Dell and especially Gateway).  Either build the system yourself or have your local computer store build it for you.

If you go the AMD route you will be able to use the future Athlon XP processors with a bios update.  AMD users should definately go for a DDR ram based system as well.  Very soon (next month) VIA kt266a (the 'a' is incredibly important, kt266 boards have been out for a long time already and are about average in performance) and Nvidia's nForce based boards are going to "raise the bar" in performance for Athlon based systems.  (Take a look at some recent Anandtech articles at www.anandtech.com  for more info here.)

It's also important to mention that there are some important issues to deal with in regards to both AMD and Intel that you must be aware of.  AMD processors REQUIRE very good heatsinks and 300W power supplies.  Incorrectly mounting or the failure of a heatsink (or fan) may result in the death of the processor.  Intel's P4 requires special RAM (rambus pc 800), cases, and power supplies for acceptable performance.  This raises cost quite a bit.  On the plus side Intel processors will not die if the heatsink is incorrectly mounted or fails BUT the P4 still requires a large heatsink and fan to cool it.

Suffice it to say that if you built an AMD Athlon system or and Intel P4 system you will be fine.  It is important (to me anyway) to mention that you can get a faster system at the same price if you go AMD.  Do NOT buy (or build) a Pentium 3 or Celeron powered system, they are obsolete at this point.

Look at www.pricewatch.com  for current prices on CPUs, RAM, MBs, HDs, Video cards, etc.

Hopefully this helps some of you.

I would also look at www.anandtech.com  and www.tomshardware.com  for reviews and (usually) unbiased information comparing options.  (Intel guys sometimes think Tom Papst is biased toward AMD.  Regardless, the benchmark numbers do not lie.)

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2001, 02:07:00 AM »
AMD Tbirds are good.

Intel CPU's are way too much overpriced in comparison to what AMD gives.
At least Intel got sane again and began to make mobos that support regular ram chips instead of overly expensive rdram.

As long as intel prices are over one third more expensive than AMD's, I surely won't be buying one.

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2001, 06:57:00 AM »
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Right now I can guarantee you that all name brand systems are cutting corners (including Dell and especially Gateway). Either build the system yourself or have your local computer store build it for you.


How right you are bloom 8-( as a owner of two high end Dell's ( p2 333 , p3 933 )the first one was a much better machine , plus they are cutting back , waaaaaaaayyyyyyy back on there phone support also . I get persons to talk to now that I can't understand , and they say they are going to send shipping stuff out to me that doesn't come . Get disconnected ( on their end ) and they don't call back , memory that costs 5 times more than it should . The list goes on . The memory upgrade was the last straw , I was soooo mad about that  :mad:

As one that used to tell all my friends to buy from them , I don't now , as you state get someone in the know to build you one if you can't .

I have a order out for a AMD 1.4 now going to use my ATI Radeon 64 DDR card in it , getting ready for 1.08   :D

Thanks for all the pc info BTW yours and others tips , tricks , etc . They have really helped me .
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »
Oboe couple pics from Sandra benchmark proggie I used to test my system:

Athlon Thunderbird 1,4GHz and
Same CPU overclocked to 1,51GHz

Only benchmark P4 had better numbers were memory but overall Athlon whipped P4's butt.

[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]