Preliminary NTSB report on Reno crash released.

[Widewing]

It tells us nothing that we didn't already know....

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20110917X22412&key=1

[Tyrannis]

It says that the onboard camera was recovered..will that footage ever be released?

[Yeager]

It says that the onboard camera was recovered..will that footage ever be released?

I do not think most people want to see that impact from the perspective of the plane.  I dont know though, maybe you do.

The odd thing about that prelim report was the NTSB stating that the "airplane sustained substantial damage."  To me it looked like the airplane completely disintegrated.

[Tyrannis]

I do not think most people want to see that impact from the perspective of the plane.  I dont know though, maybe you do.

The odd thing about that prelim report was the NTSB stating that the "airplane sustained substantial damage."  To me it looked like the airplane completely disintegrated.

I do want to see it, im not like some sadistic death type of person, but i will admit im curious of the accident from the planes point of view.


Did anyone see that article Yahoo had saying it was strange that there was no Fireball upon impact like there was in another air show crash? what was up with that?

[skorpion]

Did anyone see that article Yahoo had saying it was strange that there was no Fireball upon impact like there was in another air show crash? what was up with that?

thats what im asking, why there was no fireball is beyond me and basically everyone else here i guess. no spark to ignite the fuel? too much humidity? special type of fuel that doesnt catch fire on a crash? who knows. just a miracle that it didnt light up.

[colmbo]

The odd thing about that prelim report was the NTSB stating that the "airplane sustained substantial damage."  To me it looked like the airplane completely disintegrated.

"Substantial damage" is the defining criteria to define an accident vs an incident.  Basically:

Damage or structural failure that negatively affects an aircraft's structural strength, performance, or flying characteristics, and which would require significant repair or replacement of the affected component or system. Substantial damage excludes damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, and flaps. It also excludes bent aerodynamic fairings, dents in the aircraft skin, small punctures in the aircraft skin, ground damage to propeller blades, or damage to only a single engine.

[Golfer]

no Fireball upon impact? what was up with that?

No source of ignition.  The airplane was just that gone that there wasn't enough heat, combined with the relatively small amount of fuel that would have expanded (cooled) so rapidly nothing got hot enough to burn.

The NTSB isn't a news show (emphasis on show as in entertainment) which is why you see the phrases with official definitions they use such as Substantial Damage.  The way it should be.

[gyrene81]

The odd thing about that prelim report was the NTSB stating that the "airplane sustained substantial damage."  To me it looked like the airplane completely disintegrated.

sounds about right to me. disintegration would be quite substantial damage don't you think?

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

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maybe someone should tell them "substantial damage" is an error.

[Babalonian]

And the definition of substantial is, children?....

[Dichotomy]

substantial
[suhb-stan-shuhl]   Origin Like this word?
sub·stan·tial
   [suhb-stan-shuhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
of ample or considerable amount, quantity, size, etc.: a substantial sum of money.
2.
of a corporeal or material nature; tangible; real.
3.
of solid character or quality; firm, stout, or strong: a substantial physique.
4.
basic or essential; fundamental: two stories in substantial agreement.
5.
wealthy or influential: one of the substantial men of the town.

[skorpion]

substantial
[suhb-stan-shuhl]   Origin Like this word?
sub·stan·tial
   [suhb-stan-shuhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
of ample or considerable amount, quantity, size, etc.: a substantial sum of money.
2.
of a corporeal or material nature; tangible; real.
3.
of solid character or quality; firm, stout, or strong: a substantial physique.
4.
basic or essential; fundamental: two stories in substantial agreement.
5.
wealthy or influential: one of the substantial men of the town.

aaargh....too...much...information....power...overload....shutting....down.....*booom!!!*

dont use terms i dont understand!

[Golfer]

Per NTSB 830.

Substantial Damage: damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered “substantial damage” for the purpose of this part

[Yeager]

disintegration would be quite substantial damage don't you think?

"Catastrophic and complete loss of the airplane" would have been more accurate from my perspective.  Substantial to me is the basic equivalent of significant, suggesting a sense of basic completeness of structure but with substantial damage.  If the NTSB uses a different set of criteria then that is just the way it goes I guess. I relate this topic through layman's eyes, not those of a Pilot, aircraft maintainer, or NTSB investigator.

In summary: High speed coupled with low altitude, critical component failure, pilot losing consciousness, aircraft impacting terrain =  Catastrophic and complete loss of the airplane, pilot and eleven spectators on the ground.  layman's eyes.  Sorry I am not an expert. I see the world with my own eyes, tragic as it often is.

[1sum41]

Did anyone see that article Yahoo had saying it was strange that there was no Fireball upon impact like there was in another air show crash? what was up with that?

The airplane had a boil off system so it had water on board, and it's fuel tanks had a fire resistant foam sealer. Those helped in keeping from there being a fireball.