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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #90 on: January 19, 2012, 09:19:08 PM »

Me neither bro.  FYI Megaupload just got shut down. 

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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #91 on: January 19, 2012, 09:19:42 PM »
We use Copyright Warnings on our web sites.  The phrase, "Unauthorized reproduction strictly prohibited by law" appears all over my web site.  

Here's something for you to ponder. Under the SOPA intent if you took a photo that contained say a frame or poster from a movie that I owned the rights too, and that was in the background of the image - I could complain that you infringed on my rights and have your website take down. There would be no due process, your website would be down until such time as the dispute was resolved.

If your website was hosted offshore I could block people getting to that website. How do you feel about that possibility?

Once again I re-iterated, as a photographer I cannot see how the SOPA or PIPA laws would help stop people 'stealing' your work.

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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #92 on: January 19, 2012, 09:39:35 PM »
Here's something for you to ponder. Under the SOPA intent if you took a photo that contained say a frame or poster from a movie that I owned the rights too, and that was in the background of the image - I could complain that you infringed on my rights and have your website take down. There would be no due process, your website would be down until such time as the dispute was resolved.

If your website was hosted offshore I could block people getting to that website. How do you feel about that possibility?

Once again I re-iterated, as a photographer I cannot see how the SOPA or PIPA laws would help stop people 'stealing' your work.

Once again I will tell you...  Again...  That I have not read SOPA/PIPA, and under no circumstance should you take anything I have said in this thread or anywhere else as support for SOPA/PIPA....  Again...

My beef is with all those people who don't get that it is wrong to take my work and use it without my permission, even if they are only going to use it in the privacy of their own home for their own personal use.  It is wrong.


Just for the record, your poster in the background is a very sketchy claim of infringement anyway.  Unless the poster in the background can be proven to constitute a "substantial" part of the photograph and not merely incidental, you would have little to no luck claiming infringement.   In my case, I hold press credentials.  In the purpose of reporting and recording news, it doesn't matter what is in the background.   :D  

Press credentials are great for all kinds of things.  I haven't paid to get into a college level (or under) sporting event for 15 years.  And that includes Division 1 sports.
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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #93 on: January 19, 2012, 10:03:36 PM »
Just for the record, your poster in the background is a very sketchy claim of infringement anyway.  Unless the poster in the background can be proven to constitute a "substantial" part of the photograph and not merely incidental, you would have little to no luck claiming infringement.   In my case, I hold press credentials.  In the purpose of reporting and recording news, it doesn't matter what is in the background.   :D  

Well, you don't get it, under SOPA-PIPA it wouldn't matter if it's substantial or not, neither would matter your credentials. You'd be offline until you could prove you're not infringing copyright.

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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #94 on: January 19, 2012, 10:11:29 PM »
Well, you don't get it, under SOPA-PIPA it wouldn't matter if it's substantial or not, neither would matter your credentials. You'd be offline until you could prove you're not infringing copyright.

You guys aren't getting that I don't support SOPA/PIPA and never throughout any of this conversation have I supported SOPA/PIPA.  I got what he was trying to say, it simply is not consequential to what I have been trying to say this entire time.

I do believe, you can read early in this thread where I said that any short circuiting of due process would be bad...


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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2012, 10:18:08 PM »
Once again I will tell you...  Again...  That I have not read SOPA/PIPA, and under no circumstance should you take anything I have said in this thread or anywhere else as support for SOPA/PIPA....  Again...

My beef is with all those people who don't get that it is wrong to take my work and use it without my permission, even if they are only going to use it in the privacy of their own home for their own personal use.  It is wrong.


Just for the record, your poster in the background is a very sketchy claim of infringement anyway.  Unless the poster in the background can be proven to constitute a "substantial" part of the photograph and not merely incidental, you would have little to no luck claiming infringement.   In my case, I hold press credentials.  In the purpose of reporting and recording news, it doesn't matter what is in the background.   :D  

Press credentials are great for all kinds of things.  I haven't paid to get into a college level (or under) sporting event for 15 years.  And that includes Division 1 sports.

Can I get a copy of one of those credentials? ;)  :D
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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #96 on: January 20, 2012, 01:26:32 AM »
You guys aren't getting that I don't support SOPA/PIPA and never throughout any of this conversation have I supported SOPA/PIPA.  I got what he was trying to say, it simply is not consequential to what I have been trying to say this entire time.

I do believe, you can read early in this thread where I said that any short circuiting of due process would be bad...

So what are you asking for then?

imho you will never stop misuse of your content. That is a fact of life you deal with, just like all retailers accept 'shrinkage'  (aka shoplifting) will always occur - they can do things through regular legal channels to minimize the impact (plus there are some website smarts you can do to stop casual copiers). The web has it's pro's and con's, if you don't like people copying pasting from your website take your website down.

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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2012, 08:40:43 AM »
A bit deeper view and discussion on the matter. Everyone gets their opinion, this is worth considering.

 http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/internet-regulation-the-economics-of-piracy/

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Re: Can Yall sign this Petition against SOPA and PIPA
« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2012, 08:51:03 PM »
Why is that?
because reddit is like a bunch of 2 year olds who parents wont buy them a candy bar at the store.
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