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[VonMessa]

I was replying to a comment that argued that there were bullies because parents did not beat their children, your point is moot.

-Penguin

He did not sat beat them, he said beat some sense into them.  It is a figure of speech, vernacular if you prefer.

There is no problem with teaching your children how to deal with a bully.  Otherwise, they just bottle it up until they handle it in an extreme manner...

http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/michael-swann

Pray tell, I would love to see your insight on that article, professor.  Your advice would have been welcome back then.

You could have advised me how to get the kid's blood out of my clothes...

[Penguin]

I was correcting your nonesense. The fact remains that you lumped child abuse in with corporal punishment. You cannot run around half cocked like you do and expect us to stay quiet. Do yourself a favor and get over your arrogance before it becomes a real problem for you as an adult.

Nonsense, no.  I used abuse as a more striking example of power and control.  However, I tried to make my point so seamless that I didn't mention it as such.

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@VonMessa I don't see why one would think that he was referring to anything save for corporal punishment since he said that the problem was recent, just like the downfall of corporal punishment.  Either that, or he's just being nostalgic.  Now as for the kid that shot the other kid, yikes!  It really highlights the need for mental health care for adolescents- we don't just 'figure it out' when it comes to dealing with our problems.  It's like teaching a kid to swim by tossing them in the water- they'll hate swimming and adopt a flailing stroke.  We need someone to teach us how to deal with our suddenly increasing range of emotions just like kids need swim instructors.

-Penguin

[sntslilhlpr6601]

it is the cowards way out.

Maybe for some. No family, no friends. Nothing to live for, no one to care.

But the majority do have friends. They do have family who care about them, who are hurt by their death.

Now I do agree that it is a selfish thing to do. But I think people need to understand what is going through someone's head when they do something like this. You really need to have some kind of mental problem to actually pull that trigger. So I can't really put all the blame on them. Most of it, sure. But not all.

I've been there. It was a dark, dark place that I have since recovered from. I know I never would've actually done it but I know how close I came. And those weren't normal thoughts going through my head I'll tell you that.

And as of a week ago I now have two losses to suicide in my family. These were great people who were loved by their family and knew they were loved. That's why I can't put all the blame on them. I know they couldn't have done it all on their own. The brain is a very complex thing that really isn't all that hard to screw up. It's fixable, though. As long as you don't screw it up permanently...

[rogwar]

Now going on 47 years of age. Luckily was not bullied but I did see it happen some. One interesting note is most if not all of the people I remember as bullies turned out to be real failures in life.

[CAP1]

Now going on 47 years of age. Luckily was not bullied but I did see it happen some. One interesting note is most if not all of the people I remember as bullies turned out to be real failures in life.

 i was on the receiving end of quite a bit of it. when talking to adults failed, i took care of it myself. it only took one time.

 and yes, you are correct.......a few of them over the years, i've seen in the papers as having died from drug overdoses. a few of them are at deadend jobs. a couple are just unemployed.

[Shuffler]

... Resume..........

1982-1984  BIT   (Bully In Training)  at Crotter Jr High

1985-1988  Bully at Critter High School



Doesn't impress on the resume

[Babalonian]

he only wanted to take his life, I am assuming he was being bullied. he had planned to do this a while back i guess but someone found out and his dad had to remove all of his guns from the house

That is heartbreaking to hear, one can only wonder what it was that fueled his illconceived but unfaltering determination.   

[homersipes]

well got to talk to his dad this morning.  He is alive, pretty messed up though, he can squeeze peoples hands so he recognizes them, gonna be a long road to recovery.  from what I have gathered he had a crush on a girl and someone found out about it posted it online and because the girl rejected him kids started picking on him about it, and instead of taking it out on them he took it out on himself.

[VonMessa]

well got to talk to his dad this morning.  He is alive, pretty messed up though, he can squeeze peoples hands so he recognizes them, gonna be a long road to recovery.  from what I have gathered he had a crush on a girl and someone found out about it posted it online and because the girl rejected him kids started picking on him about it, and instead of taking it out on them he took it out on himself.

There is always someone more deserving than one's self to take it out upon I say.

Best wishes from my family