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Offline Nefarious

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FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« on: October 21, 2012, 05:17:47 PM »
The Allied Ace was Dantoo of the 9 GIAP VVS RKKA, He was representing: Lt Joel Paris III (USAAF) – Paris flew the P-40 series in New Guinea and later the P-38 in the Philippines for the 7th FS, 49th FG. Credited with 9 victories in total he shot down 5 of them during the last week of December, 1944. He was awarded the Silver Star during the invasion of Mindoro when he shot down two Zero fighters while escorting a PBY floatplane to the island. Paris retired from the USAF as a Major General.

While flying his P-38L Dantoo shot down 1 Ki-84 flown by Bino of JG 11 and 1 N1K2-J flown by LmODLcav of THUNDER MOB. He returned to base successfully.


The Axis Ace was BlueE of THUNDER MOB
He was representing: Chief Petty Officer Shoichi Sugita (IJN) – Sugita saw fierce action in the Solomons and became a leading ace in the campaign and flew in the infamous Yamamoto mission. Sugita was given a chance to redeem his honor and continued to fight on in the Carolines, Marianas and scored numerous kills in the Philippines. Sugita was killed while trying to take off on 15th 1945 in the defense of Japan. He was recognized as having achieved 70 victories.

While flying his N1K2-J BlueE shot down one F4U-1A flown by 45Colt of the 364th {The Gun Fighters}. BlueE went Missing in Action (Disco).

Allied Ace Mission: 40 Points (For shooting down 2 Axis Fighters and Landing)
Axis Ace Mission: 00 Points

Allied Pilots: 156
Axis Pilots: 144

Allied Kills: 64
Axis Kills: 80

Allied Assists: 64
Axis Assists: 51

Allied Objects Destroyed: 144

Congratulations to BatmanI (Arabian Knights) for being the top allied scorer with 6 kills. JazzCH (VMF-101 Nightmares) had the most objects destroyed with 28. The Allied shipkillers were:


Tex01 - VF-17 Jolly Rogers - C84 Destroyer
RedBull - 364th CHAWKS - C73 Destroyer
49Reflex - 49th FG - C84 Cruiser


Here are the break down of the scores -

FRAME 1 -



FRAME 2 -



FRAME 3 -




FINAL SCORES:

ALLIED: 2394
AXIS: 2890



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At the end of frame 2, the Allies had a 410 Point lead. In Frame 3, the Axis were put on the complete defensive. The Allies had to attack 4 Cruiser Task Forces and one large field. It seems the Allies went a little light on the objectives and the scores reflect that. Only 3 Ships were sunk and A19 was barely scratched with only 9 objects destroyed. It seems that if the Allies may have put a little more resources into attacking they may have been able to keep the score closer. The Axis held and were able to hold onto the points for defending their objectives in Frame 3 and in the end the Axis pull out the victory by 496 points.

Hope everyone had fun and we'll do it again in 2013!

There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2012, 06:26:40 PM »
 :lol hilarious. WTG Axis.
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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 02:30:04 PM »
When writing the orders for frame 3, it was evident to the Arabian Knights that this was a frame that could not be won by the Allies, but we didn’t expect to lose it by such a large margin.

When a frame is designed so that one side of equally opposing forces is strictly defensive, it always shifts the odds in favor of the defenders. FSO rules states that a minimum of 12 ordnance carrying aircraft must be assigned to attack each target. In this particular frame if attendance was equal, it was estimated that the Axis would have approximately 24% more fighters than the Allies, a significant number.

In the previous two frames, only task forces were targets for each side. In frame 3 the allies not only had the same 4 task forces to hit, but also an airfield, and a large airfield at that. Certainly the highest value target in FSO.   Also because there was no information provided about the point values, it was impossible to perform a cost benefit in assigning targets.
 
To state that the Allies needed only more bombers to score higher ignores the fact that this would further deplete the number of fighters that we could muster giving the Axis defenders even freer rein to kill more bombers thereby adding to their point total.  Finally the Axis had a choice of aircraft in the first two frames that enabled them to drop ordnance from altitude if they so choose. The Allies had no such choice. All ordnance in each frame had to be delivered at very low altitudes because of the aircraft assigned, giving the defenders even a more of an advantage.

This frame was either designed to have the Axis win or it had some serious flaws.
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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 06:30:11 PM »
Interesting comments, let me break it down and answer some specifics.


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In the previous two frames, only task forces were targets for each side. In frame 3 the allies not only had the same 4 task forces to hit, but also an airfield, and a large airfield at that. Certainly the highest value target in FSO.

In Frame 1 and 2 there was a total of 1152 Objective Points at stake in each frame. In Frame 3 there was a total of 1148 Objective Points at stake.

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Also because there was no information provided about the point values, it was impossible to perform a cost benefit in assigning targets.

Just a simple email to me could have solved this one. If you or anyone have serious questions about a setup, email me, I could have answered some of your questions and try to work anything out with the CICs. As is most common in every FSO, the highest valued targets at any Base; Aircraft or Vehicle, are the hangars, followed by the Radar, Fuel, Ammo and Barracks then the AAA guns. I assumed that the simple total of each objective was sufficient enough for the objectives and that there was a common understanding in FSO of the target precedence. I will include the point values for each object at any objective from now on.

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Finally the Axis had a choice of aircraft in the first two frames that enabled them to drop ordnance from altitude if they so choose. The Allies had no such choice. All ordnance in each frame had to be delivered at very low altitudes because of the aircraft assigned, giving the defenders even a more of an advantage.

Was this an advantage for the Axis? They lost both frames 1 and 2 in points totals. The Allies destroyed more Ships in Frame 1 and only one less than Axis in Frame 2 and shot down a significant amount more aircraft in both frames.

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This frame was either designed to have the Axis win or it had some serious flaws.

Neither was my intention, It was however designed to be an all or nothing type frame for both sides. The Axis, down by 410 points had the opportunity to come back close with a win of frame 3 and possibly win the entire Event with a major defeat. The Allies had the chance to lose the frame and still win the entire FSO.

Both sides had the ability to field roughly 53 pilots per objective. Perhaps instead of a sweep, as indicated in the Orders, Heavy Escort or even just more concentrated escort could have sank more ships or maybe dropped some hangars at A19. Had the Allies sank the same number of warships (9) they did in Frame 2, the Allies would have lost Frame 3 by 447 points but still won the entire event.

What I see is two great sets of orders. 2 sets of very well thought up, detailed plans where the Axis played well to the role of defender, which I admit does have it's advantages in FSO and it shows here. But, I can't say that it would be played exactly the same way the next week. In the end, what stands out to me that is the Axis won the event by less than 500 points, which in the total of the final scores makes it a very close event.

You win some and you lose some, I have planned numerous FSO Orders and thought I covered everyhting and still got a good lickin' from my opponent. Sometimes it's just the way it goes, Good Job Allies and Axis.
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 06:45:26 PM »
 :aok Had a great time. Love the PTO setups! Sorry the allies lost this one but hay TOJO we WILL get you next time!!! :devil Still have some questions about targets destroyed but not counted in the logs.

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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 04:46:43 PM »
Our flight broke through over an enemy fleet and we controlled the skies.  Our problem is that we only got one ship sunk and ran out like hell.  We left up 3 DDs and 1 Cruiser. 

I don't believe that was a balance or plane issue at all.  It had everything to do with hitting the target.  Otherwise, we would have ahnialated that fleet and racked up points for frame 3.  We simply didn't finish the job is all. 

Overall, that was a fun month.  We enjoyed the frames and hope to see ourselves in blue planes soon again!  :)

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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 05:37:12 PM »
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Re: FSO FRAME 3 SUMMARY AND FINAL SCORES
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 09:42:40 PM »
The LCA had a great time in this event. The plane set was about as good as it gets in this point of the war for the Japanese in the special events. Still going to be a great setup when we get the B6N, D4Y,Ki-49,G4M2, and the J2M3. But even with the planes we are missing, it felt about balanced to me.

Thanks for the PTO event. Looking forward to the next one.  :cheers:

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