I spent a couple hours with both awhile back, were interesting and I'd like to try them again although I don't think I got a single kill/victory. Reminded me what it felt like to be a noob, especially in Mechwarrior where the universe has such an established culture and history nevermind all the technical jargon which sounded like greek to me.
I have a new sympathy for what AH-newbies go through.
