Kawasaki Ninja H2-R

[Rob52240]

Yeah it is helpful being able to swerve around the maniac foreign truck drivers.

I dunno, I'm just not a fan of using an engine as a stressed member with a trellis frame around it.  Ducati have been doing it for years and bits fall off those things as they ride along.  They can dress it up in carbon fibre as much as they like, but it's a 70 year old idea that everyone except the Italians (who apparently can't count above 2 *cough* cheating ******* in world superbikes *cough*) have given up as a bad plan.

  John Britten never gave up integrating his engines into his frames.  He made them that way up until he died

[Zoney]

I know Honda used the engine as a stressed member to support the rear swing arms on the 954 but it isn't on the new CBR1000RR's.  I think it's day has gone past.  I believe they were saving weight by having less frame and beefing up the engine cases but with new metal technologies and other light weight bits, they can get as much if not more with a full backbone frame.  I do remember when full perimeter frames went away, looking at the backbone frames and thinking..............."no way am I racing that"!

Now it is not just about being lighter but where you are carrying the weight.  "Mass Centralization" does so much more than taking weight off, making the bikes flick from side to side effortlessly, not only making them turn quicker but with less effort and fatigue to the rider.

[Sol75]

Yeah it is helpful being able to swerve around the maniac foreign truck drivers.

I dunno, I'm just not a fan of using an engine as a stressed member with a trellis frame around it.  Ducati have been doing it for years and bits fall off those things as they ride along.  They can dress it up in carbon fibre as much as they like, but it's a 70 year old idea that everyone except the Italians (who apparently can't count above 2 *cough* cheating ******* in world superbikes *cough*) have given up as a bad plan.

Now now, I love my pasta burner!  Granted I also love my CBR600RR.. but then again, if it has 2 wheels, I love it... love em all, even the rattle trap harleys...

Kawi H2-R?  Yes, please...

 

[Swoop]

I've been using the same mechanic for 20 years, he's a big Ducati fan, always trying to convince me that reliability issues are a fallacy.....and every time I see him I say "Where's yours then?"  And the answer is always "Oil leak"....or "needs a new clutch"  or whatever.  Every time without fail.

As I've been saying to him for 20 years:  I rest my case.