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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2017, 04:55:34 PM »
Ok...let me do some digging on these RCAF Hurri's...something is up with this configuration that I've not seen before.  I was at the same museum like almost over 20 years ago ...not the amature war historian I'm today... I also have the serial number form both. Will report back shortly....
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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2017, 04:58:41 PM »
Is it possible that those are not 20mms but, in fact, .303s? Didn't the Hurricane IIb have a configuration with 12x.303s?

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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2017, 05:08:25 PM »
Ok, figured it out.  5584 was built by the Canadian Car & Foundry (Can-Car).  This particular beauty (Mark XII) is equipped with 12 x .303 Browning MG's and has a 1300hp Packard AZ Merline 29 engine. 12 & 8 MG's were part of their design standards.  The extra 4 MG's added had to be moved up to slightly extend past the leading edge of the wing as it was narrower than the inner MG's.  Makes sense...like Dace suggested, they're not hispano cannons.


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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2017, 05:10:59 PM »
It's not an F-4/Trop. It doesn't have the dust filter, and it has the bird cage Gustav canopy. My guess is that it's a G-2 or G-4.

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2017, 05:18:01 PM »
This Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4 was manufactured in Germany by Erla Maschinenwerk in 1942 for the Luftwaffe. In August of that year, the aircraft was damaged during aerial combat and crash-landed near the Arctic port of Murmansk in the Soviet Union. The pilot survived.

Little is known about the aircraft after this point. It was eventually crudely restored for display in a Soviet museum. In the mid-1990s, it was acquired by Aero Vintage Ltd., a British restoration organization, and refinished in its original colours. The original bullet holes were not repaired, and remain visible.

The Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4, which belonged to Mr. Jeet Mahal, was acquired through exchange with Aero Vintage Ltd., England, for one of the Museum's two Messerschmitt Me 163B Komet rocket fighters. A Canadian Forces aircraft delivered the Bf 109 to the Museum in the early part of June 1999, where it was reassembled and put on display.

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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2017, 05:27:33 PM »
It's not an F-4/Trop. It doesn't have the dust filter, and it has the bird cage Gustav canopy. My guess is that it's a G-2 or G-4.

F-4/Trop:

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Well, you're wrong. The position of the fuel fill hatch clearly makes it an F, as only the F has the hatch beneath the canopy.

It is well documented that JG's 3, 5, and 77 received some tropical build 109F's despite not being in a "tropical" theater. In all of those cases, the squadrons applied additional paint over the sand brown to better blend into their local environment. Also, the sand filter over the intake is very easy to remove.
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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2017, 05:34:48 PM »
If it was a G "unless it was one of the very first ones" it would also have small air intakes just behind the spinner.
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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2017, 05:42:37 PM »
The WNr is 10132.

WNr 10001 - 10290 were Bf109F-4

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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2017, 06:19:14 PM »
Well, you're wrong. The position of the fuel fill hatch clearly makes it an F, as only the F has the hatch beneath the canopy.

It is well documented that JG's 3, 5, and 77 received some tropical build 109F's despite not being in a "tropical" theater. In all of those cases, the squadrons applied additional paint over the sand brown to better blend into their local environment. Also, the sand filter over the intake is very easy to remove.

I stand corrected.  :)
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Re: Canadian Air and Space museum
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2017, 07:41:32 PM »
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from http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/en/collection-research/collection.php?&start=0

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