Oh dear!

[Dantoo]

 

Can we check a few settings for this last frame:

No damage able to be dealt to B101.
All guns enabled and manned (inc 5 inch) B101.

IF this was intended, well um great!

If not, may I jump and suggest that frame officially end at 60 Mins?

(There may be some tempted to start a flame war here but let's not and just pretend we did).

[RichardDarkwood]

[Nefarious]

Can we check a few settings for this last frame:

No damage able to be dealt to B101.
All guns enabled and manned (inc 5 inch) B101.

IF this was intended, well um great!

If not, may I jump and suggest that frame officially end at 60 Mins?

(There may be some tempted to start a flame war here but let's not and just pretend we did).

Not sure why or how 101 was or could be indestructible. I don't believe it would be possible for 1 sides battleship fleet to be impervious to damage, while the other sides is. Hardness settings, which were default, span across all country's objects. So without some thorough testing, I am going to say this may be a terrain bug.

All guns were enabled. This was intentional. A few CMs suggested that the 5" be disabled in the week leading up to frame 3 after I had mentioned including PT boats. In the end, I didn't include PT boats and decided that I would leave the 5" enabled.

EDIT: Looking at Darkwoods image, it appears that Allied ship guns may not have been enabled at the start of Hour 2. If so, this was on accident. They should have been enabled. Was it corrected at all?

I flew 1 Ki-67 torpedo strike sortie in Hour 2 and logged after I died so I didn't stick around past 12:20ish or so.

[Rocco]

I was over both fleets for most of the second hour and never saw the allied ships guns fire beyond basic ack.

I did see bomb splashes that looked like they went through the bow and the rear guns of the axis BB with no recorded damage to it. It was really odd, I'm going to check my recorded vid and see if it shows what happened.

If 5 inchers are going to be enabled in the future I would suggest nerfing them a bit. I saw a bunch of aircraft insta killed in one shot from a decent ways out, including myself. No other ack firing, no missed shots, just a single shell and poof. Guys are just too good in them.

I like the idea of supporting a battleship duel in the second hour,  I think it just needs a couple tweaks. And less weird stuff going on.

[RichardDarkwood]

EDIT: Looking at Darkwoods image, it appears that Allied ship guns may not have been enabled at the start of Hour 2. If so, this was on accident. They should have been enabled. Was it corrected at all?

The allied guns were never enabled.

[Devil 505]

Well that explains why several Axis guys were asking why the Allied BB never fired it's guns.

[Dantoo]

B101 was impervious to damage.  Fact!

I bombed it twice.  Nothing registered.  Others reported the same.  I can't offer a reason but that is because I know crap-all about settings.

Easy to check.  Search Logs using 101 as the search term.  All those bombs dropped and guns fired and how much damage was done?

As for the guns thing, where exactly in the objectives does it mention that guns will be active and mannable?  This is such a rare event in FSO (like I can remember maybe once in the last decade and maybe twice in the preceding) that it should be highlighted in BOLD!

I am not out to start a flame war or point fingers. 
It is necessary to learn from what didn't work and get it sorted for a bold and interesting future.

[JimmyD3]

IIRC the Battle ship takes 14k of bombs to sink it. Also new maps, again as I recall, the BB guns do not default to enabled.

[Dantoo]

It took NO DAMAGE not just didn't sink.



https://ibb.co/54FnykS

I tried to insert a pic of me bombing it yesterday but not a lot of luck.  So included a link to a IBB upload of it.
Now if I can shrink it a little...

That's 9K of hurt right there.

[Spikes]

B101 was impervious to damage.  Fact!

I bombed it twice.  Nothing registered.  Others reported the same.  I can't offer a reason but that is because I know crap-all about settings.

Easy to check.  Search Logs using 101 as the search term.  All those bombs dropped and guns fired and how much damage was done?

As for the guns thing, where exactly in the objectives does it mention that guns will be active and mannable?  This is such a rare event in FSO (like I can remember maybe once in the last decade and maybe twice in the preceding) that it should be highlighted in BOLD!

I am not out to start a flame war or point fingers. 
It is necessary to learn from what didn't work and get it sorted for a bold and interesting future.

I think you may be right, in one of the oddest bugs I've ever seen. Hopped into SEA1 just now and tried to bomb B101 with B29s, no damage. Took a 234, no damage. Brought a BB up beside it and the 16" rounds just went right through it.

Just tried to bomb B98 (same side) and took damage like normal. Definitely a bug with B101.

[Nefarious]

As for the guns thing, where exactly in the objectives does it mention that guns will be active and mannable?  This is such a rare event in FSO (like I can remember maybe once in the last decade and maybe twice in the preceding) that it should be highlighted in BOLD!

From the Objectives:

BATTLESHIP FIGHT - SHIP GUNS ENABLED


The following objectives must be Attacked by the Allies (USAAF/USMC) and Defended by the Axis (IJN/IJAAF):


B101 - (13.09.01) - BATTLESHIP GROUP


The following objectives must be Attacked by the Axis (IJN/IJAAF) and Defended by the Allies (USAAF/USMC):


B102 - (13.08.09) - BATTLESHIP GROUP

[Dantoo]

I went through that sheet 4 times without seeing it.  I guess my eyes slipped over it as it was in same font and bold as the line above and lazy eyes just didn't focus on it.

I presume something similar happened with the CIC as there is a complete absence of mention in the orders.  At least make it RED next time (please don't do this for another decade).

[Nefarious]

(please don't do this for another decade).

I don't think you'll have to worry about that.

[RichardDarkwood]

That made the second hour worthwhile having a Battleship fight.