The real reason Prigozhin gave up the rebellion.

[FLOOB]

To me it seems pretty obvious. They, MOD/Putin, threatened to use chemical weapons on the Wagner convoys. Priggy was aware of this possibility of course. A month or two before mutiny  he had even mentioned it in one of his rants. Something to the effect of these sickos would even probably use wmd’s on Russian territory to stop a rebellion. Everybody worrying about Russia deploying tactical nukes.., why on earth would they irradiate their land when they possess the ultimate set of chemical weapons? Does anybody believe that the neosoviets wouldn’t use chemical weapons to save Moscow and themselves? The Russians categorized this as an anti terrorist operation. Meaning special rules different from warfare rules. Remember the Bolshoi?

[Meatwad]

given the amount of corruption in soviet russia, wagner would have a good chance of getting some of these themselves and could use them in a counterattack. But since they probably have none, they had no chance but to stop. But if they had some themselves, I could see them pressing and then counterattacking with same weapons

[-gg-]

after this thread gets locked, you're welcome to read/discuss it here. We have a 13 page thread about the coup


https://icecreamonmars.com/index.php?thread/1457-russia-coup-2023/&pageNo=1

[JimmyD3]

gg you still flying in the MA??

[-gg-]

not flying. Canceled the sub a couple months ago.

[FLOOB]

I don’t know that Wagner had the equipment or the training to fight in an nbc environment. Probably not.

[Dadtallica]

Feels like pooty tang is getting ready to retire. Just scroll the picture captions in this article, he has whacked at least 30 oligarchs in the last couple years.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247271/amp/Vice-president-Russian-bank-falls-death-Moscow-apartment-latest-mysterious-fatality.html

[RotBaron]

Hi
 
Bye
 

[icepac]

Priggy might be a thug but he seems to care about the people under his control and they see it.

[Maverick]

I never thought this was going to be a real rebellion. I always figured it was a more direct negotiating tactic for more support and funding. Mercs like getting paid.

[-gg-]

I think he could have toppled the government if he'd continued for just a few more days

[DmonSlyr]

Probably a set up the way I see it for Putin to find out who was really loyal to the fight. Which is why he arrested the commanded of the airforce and the other guy. Who really knows. I never buy the chemical weapons take because it's always used in the media as a "hand forcer excuse" the way I see it.

[GasTeddy]

Russian mindset... Impossible to understan. I've been there over 30 times and I can tell you, they live in different world. They have no clue what is life when there's nobody dictating. They seem to be afraid of that kind of life.

[FLOOB]

given the amount of corruption in soviet russia, wagner would have a good chance of getting some of these themselves and could use them in a counterattack. But since they probably have none, they had no chance but to stop. But if they had some themselves, I could see them pressing and then counterattacking with same weapons

Not the Bolshoi, it was a different theater. The bigger issue is Wagner had no defense against nbc weapons. No decon no alarms no filters no chemical recon no chemical corps. Wagner wouldn’t have need or want of chemical weapons either. He didn’t have the wherewithal to be responsible for them and he didn’t harbor any ambitions of being the world’s biggest pariah without a country. He rebelled because he was facing life in prison. It was his only choice really. He knew mutiny is always a succeed or die decision. And no it wasn’t fake or staged. He declared his intentions and acted on them. He killed every Russian that got in his way just like he said he would. He would have succeeded. He enjoyed more popular support than Putin. The Leftover Russian military hardliners that wouldn’t have joined him had no conventional means to thwart him. His family was secured beforehand, anticipating the obvious. But he was stopped cold and suddenly. It must’ve been some serious leverage the enemy had on him. Well, put two and two together, eliminate the impossibilities…. Yeah, they brokered a peace deal with the kremlin. The terms were, surrender and we won’t pour chemical weapons on your convoys. He engaged in high treason. He won’t be able to hide, his only hope is a sympathetic FSB.