Illegal Immigration

[Brooke]

They are not illegal when they apply for asylum.

In 2023, there were 3.6 million "encounters".  "Encounters" are people crossing the border who are apprehended by US Border Patrol.  If they aren't apprehended, it isn't counted as an "encounter".  Thus, the number of people crossing into the US is likely substantially larger than that.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

In 2023, there were 800,000 asylum seekers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/us/politics/migrant-crisis-border-asylum.html

In recent years, 40% of asylum applications are approved.  So of those 800,000 asylum seekers, 320,000 are actual asylees.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-seek-asylum-in-the-us/

Thus, in 2023, there were more than 3.2 million illegal immigrants.

[Brooke]

Or, if you don't like the term "illegal immigrant", just focus on illegal aliens.  They are ones who are neither asylum seekers nor granted asylum.  There are substantially more than zero illegal aliens in the US, and that number is increasing monthly in a substantial way.

[Meatwad]

Cant call them illegal aliens anymore cause it might hurt their feelings. And we cant have THAT! Surprised someone hasnt made another illegal executive order to call them "wandering travelers" or something pretty

[guncrasher]

I broke the law but I am not a criminal.  I paid my due. most guys here.


semp

[Shuffler]

My only hope is that the criminals, those that help them, and all their families are their victims, and not some innocent folks.

[Eagler]

I broke the law but I am not a criminal.  I paid my due. most guys here.


semp

You were a criminal when you broke the law just like the illegal immigrants are doing now..

They aren't arrested nor punished - no one is for this crime - but instead are rewarded

Just like wars around the globe, we can't afford to cloth, house and feed the globes poor and or lazy

And not all of us have arrest records...sorry

Eagler

[guncrasher]

You were a criminal when you broke the law just like the illegal immigrants are doing now..

They aren't arrested nor punished - no one is for this crime - but instead are rewarded

Just like wars around the globe, we can't afford to cloth, house and feed the globes poor and or lazy

And not all of us have arrest records...sorry

Eagler

sarcasm went by you.  you guys break laws on a daily basis, but like to point fingers.



semp

[TWCAxew]

We have the same thing going on in Europe and to be fair I don't know what stance I should take. I think this is a very hard topic and there are no right choices.

[Brooke]

you guys break laws on a daily basis, but like to point fingers.

Are you implying that, because some people have driven over the speed limit, they should not express any desire for the borders to be enforced?

[AKIron]

Funny how those in self-declared Sanctuary Cities made it about racism when the border states complained about the lack of border enforcement yet are crying loudly now that they've gotten a small taste and realize it's not about race.

[Brooke]

We have the same thing going on in Europe and to be fair I don't know what stance I should take. I think this is a very hard topic and there are no right choices.

Countries that don't enforce their borders tend to get subsumed.  That is true historically and, because of human nature, seems like it will remain the case.

A more-detailed analysis with respect to modern Europe:
The Strange Death of Europe, by Murray
https://a.co/d/ap02d6D

My feeling is that there are regions that once had great vigor.  Where people had the fire to thrive and populate their lands.  But now whose people have become diffident, with vigor drained away.  They are like the Elves in the Lord of the Rings.  No more fire for such things.  They receded and faded away.  The land went to those who still had desire to thrive, to move in, to populate, and to take over.

I am hoping Europeans don't go the way of the Elves.

[guncrasher]

Are you implying that, because some people have driven over the speed limit, they should not express any desire for the borders to be enforced?

nope I didnt say that.  what I said is almost everybody break the law on a daily basis but like to point fingers at others and call them criminals.  that's the irony.


semp

[Eagler]

I think it's about keeping the tax base profitable regardless how much it costs lol

As mentioned with Idiocracy going full steam, intelligent couples don't have the desire to breed new life and have a better time with a couple of pets...maybe one kid

This doesn't pay the tax bills so we replace the native population with these immigrants and hope they somehow become productive and contributing citizens of the country they broke the law to get into...

Military needs fit bodies they cannot find when the majority of the native population is obese and cannot pass the entry exam for one reason or another...

Let's hope that works out that way .. I have my doubts

Eagler

[-gg-]

nope I didnt say that.  what I said is almost everybody break the law on a daily basis but like to point fingers at others and call them criminals.  that's the irony.


semp

yeah. When I witness a crime and criminals doing crime, I like to point fingers