Author Topic: Some critiques on tonights Snapshot (Read 424 times)

Squire · « **on:** August 07, 2002, 10:39:40 PM »

Ok well, for starters the writeup said both sides have bar dar. I think that is fair since the Mossie was a nightfighter, and there were various ways the RAF could tell there were night fighters in certain areas, radar warning recievers, AI radar, radio, ect ect.

190s and 109s had no radar. They did have GCI, so obviously they need to get some info on dar. Fair enough. 110s had radar, fair enough.

Tonight though, the RAF had no radar at all. Zero. So we fly around the not so dark Germany being run down by LW day fighters who number as many as the attacking force.

50/50 ratio? no, not when one side is blind. This wasnt a day raid with P-51 escorts.

It was one sided and off balance, with almost all the RAF being downed. No surprise.

Should have been 70/30 with dar for both sides and most of the LW in 110s. Then it would have been challenging.

Disappointed.

Nefarious · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2002, 10:55:30 PM »

Sorry Warloc...

For starters let me say it was my decision. I decided to give Luftwaffe bar dar. If I gave the Mossies Bar, then Lancs would have it too.

With the current radar settings it is impossible for one plane to have it and the other not too. Also I have seen pictures of 190s and 109s with radar antennae.

When we run this again i can asure you it will be edited. This was almost like an experiment. Im not sure, but I dont think there has ever been an event set during the night so most of the event was "play it by ear"

Sorry if you had a bad time. My apoligies.

Squire · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2002, 12:47:23 AM »

I didnt mean to sound like a rant or anything. I appreciate the work the CMs do and I quite enjoy the Snaps.

Its just the write up said bar dar for both sides, and I think that is fair, it got under my skin being chased all over Germany by day fighters with no way to know if they were close.

The trouble with allowing 190s and 109s is thats all the LW will fly. As for them having radar? a few did (most did not). In any case Lancs had methods of detecting LW night fighters and so did the Mossies (AI radar), its all about balance.

Design:

I would say again that a better design would be both sides bar dar, 70/30 RAF, with mainly Lancasters vs Bf 110Gs, with a smaller number of Mossies. Icon range at d1.0 . Night ops over Germany was about large numbers of RAF bombers being attacked by a smaller number of specialised night fighters. A threat to the bombers, not a huge force to wipe them out.

I'll be there at the next one.

Regards.

dfl8rms · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2002, 07:14:25 AM »

Not sure on the numbers 70/30 -- that would mean for every 3 LW, you would have 3 or 4 mossies and up to 12 lancs. So 5 to 1 odds in favor of the Allied, doesn't sound to fair. Throw in the Allied dar bar, and it could be very unbalanced.

Squire · « **Reply #4 on:** August 08, 2002, 07:34:16 AM »

Well the Allies had 3 ship B-17 formations in "First Strike", and the LW seemed to do ok in that despite the "odds" being so bad.

All it means is a large bomber stream, Lancs hardly pose a threat to Bf 110Gs. You can adjust the number of Mossies (I would go with 1/4 of the RAF in them) as you needed. 70/30, well maybe 60/40, but with bar dar to both.

Lots of bombers, and fewer fighters.

Regards.

daddog · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2002, 04:43:51 PM »

We have had 70/30 percents before that have gone quite well. In fact I can remember when I first started the Snapshots over two years ago it was not until I gave a 70/30 percent split in favor of the Allies that the buffs managed to survive. Took me several months to figure that one out.

Now with the "formations" we will have to work on adjusting those percents again to find a balance.

So often trial and error.

We could (and I think this was done once by a CM) have the escorts and buffs a different country, then the LW a third. That way we "could" set the radar different for each plane type. Thankfully we don't have AI gunners on the buffs so this is a plausible idea, but there could be some friendly fire incidents.