Author Topic: Navy's New Sonar v. Marine Life  (Read 628 times)

Offline Saintaw

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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2002, 01:35:51 AM »
I just wonder how many countries OTHER than the USA are able to build a "submarine equipped with 'stealth' technology" today ?

GB, Germany, France... and... ?
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2002, 01:53:39 AM »
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/prot_res/PR2/Acoustics_Program/Sound.htm#Sonar

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/prot_res/readingrm/ESAsec7/7pr_surtass-2020529.pdf

Take a look at the .pdf...the USN worked very closely with civilian marine biology types to determine operational guidelines/restrictions.

I speak from experience here - trust me when I say that just because 4 or 5 academics (marine biology type academics in this case) decide to 'sue' it doesn't mean they don't have an agenda...like 'appearing important'. Also, does anyone not believe there are groups who will sue the government and the military just because they simply loathe the government and/or the military?

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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2002, 02:05:07 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2002, 02:27:00 AM »
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Thrawn I'm assuming you are joking?

The 'suicide dolphin' story is a myth plain and simple. I've seen USN marine mammals and their handlers in action. They have a couple of very specific jobs that they cannot be beaten at. They are also very very expensive. 'Suicide dolphins' would at the very least be a huge waste of $$$.

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What else would you expect the military to say?  "Yes, in fact, we do have suicide dolphins."

And yes, I'm kidding.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2002, 02:52:08 AM »
Its funny you people complain about france so much when the US sold nuclear reactors capable of producing plutonium to Iraq :)

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2002, 10:07:36 AM »
plumbob,

Name one  reactor the U.S. 'sold'/help build/etc. to Iraq.

From http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/osiraq.htm :

"Iraq established its nuclear program in the late 1960s when it acquired its first nuclear facilites. Later, in the 1970s, Iraq was unsuccessful in negotiations with France to purchase a plutonium production reactor similar to the one used in France's nuclear weapons program. In addition to the reactor, Iraq also wanted to purchase the reporcessing plant needed to recover the plutonium produced in the reactor. Even through these requests were denied, France agreed to build a research reactor along with associated laboratories. Iraq built the Osiraq 40 megawatt light-water nuclear reactor at the Al Tuwaitha Nuclear Center near Baghdad with French assistance. Approximately 27.5 pounds of 93% U-235 was supplied to Iraq by France for use in the Osiraq research reactor.

The reactor was a type of French reactor named after Osiris, the Egyptian God of the dead. The French renamed the one being built in Iraq, "Osiraq" to blend the name Osiris with that of the recipient state, Iraq. French orthography then made it "Osirak." Iraq called the reactor "Tammuz," after the month in the Arabic calendar when the Ba'th party came to power in a 1968 coup.

Iraq began to expand its nuclear sector in the 1970's, but made little progress in the early 1980's, when most of its energy and attention were focused on the war against Iran. In September 1980, at the onset of the Iran-Iraq War, the Israeli Chief of Army Intelligence urged the Iranians to bomb Osiraq. On 30 September 1980 a a pair of Iranian Phantom jets, part of a larger group of aircraft attacking a conventional electric power plant near Baghdad, also bombed the Osiraq reactor. Minor damage to the reactor was reported. No further Iranian air attacks against Iraqi nuclear facilities were identified during the rest of the seven-year war."

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2002, 10:28:37 AM »
wulfie, how are we supposed to offer a knee-jerk reaction when you throw logic in our path?? Sheeesh :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2002, 10:38:30 AM »
I was going to say something, but Wulfie seems to have already said it all. If you need anything, just tag out Mike, I got your back lol.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2002, 11:01:05 AM »
I'm sorry, but Tom Clancy told me that our submarines can just flat out kick their asses!!

Are you saying Tom is... is... wr..wro... wrong?

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2002, 02:23:12 PM »
Since when is it the military's responsibility to be concerned with environmental impact?  WW1 blasted acreage from Italy to the North Atlantic.  I'm sure D-Day did wonders for the Normandy fisheries.  And Anzio.  And Iwo Jima.  Hiroshima. Nagasaki. And more recently, Vieques.  Don't blame the military.  Blame the US fisheries service for destroying their own resources.

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2002, 03:08:38 PM »
What is the significance of the pic gofaster?  A wrecked A-6?

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2002, 03:17:32 PM »
That's an aircraft target on Vieques, chewed up with 20mm, shrapnel, and depleted uranium bullets.  There's also some tanks, trucks, a desalination unit, miscellaneous abandonded flak gun platforms, etc., being used as targets for aircraft bombing and strafing.

What I was really looking for on the Internet were panoramic pics of the coral that'd been cratered by bombs and missiles, but the enviro groups camped out on the island don't have access to aerial photography (yet).

There's alot of unexploded ordinance lying around on the island.  There are also alot of little white crosses on Mount David near the protester's camp.