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Offline Rolex

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« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2005, 03:49:22 AM »
I need to check out that attack cat training - have a link, Hang?

Here's what I've done to fortify my home defense system:

I invite my friends over for a BBQ and we usually do some target practice (after a case of beer... :) ).



You can see that I've had a landscaper come in and clear the land around my place so the buggers can't hide in the bushes. I recommend a Daisycutter. Also, I've got a nice perimeter set up for any firefight or breach of outer defenses.

Then, I usually take the Cobra up to take out any of the riff-raff that might spill out from the Walmart parking lot about 3 klicks away.



I've also installed the new M18A1-N Claymore mines around the perimeter. Note the 'N' designation... this is the new tactical nuclear model:




Here is Fluffy checking out the new Claymores I put out near our watchtowers:




Unfortunately, we lost Fluffy to a freak accident when she accidently bit through one of the wires. We're gonna miss her.


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« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2005, 07:56:50 AM »
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Kev, I have been thinking about this recently.  A lot of people here say that they would take a flashlight along with a gun.

But I came to the conclusion that it would take major major balls, brass, cahones, however you want to say it to actually turn that light on.

Every single person here would want to keep the advantage in their own territory.  Turning on the light would give away a lot of information and would be very confrontational.  And you would have no idea where the confrontation would go.

While I don't think people would just start blasting away in the dark, I do think that very few people would actually hit the switch on the flashlight.


Actually, illuminating a person does 1 of 2 things 99% of the time. They either freeze and stare into the light, or they freeze and look away. Not sure why, but people's instinct seems to tell them if they don't move, you can't see them... One of those things you pickup playing 26 hour paintball games. That other 1% are the people trained to immediately open fire on the light (not your average intruder, in which case the drop is still to you). When you're on the receiving end of these lights, especially the newer hi-power models, you can't see anything on the other side of it at all. The key will always be though don't use it until you have their silhoutte already lined up.

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« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2005, 08:15:39 AM »
widewing gave excellent advise... especially the part about you can have a gun but it doesn't mean you are gonna shoot.

Rolex... you live in fear every day I bet... I don't wear a sissy and useless seatbelt most of the time..  I have never been in a wreck where I needed one and the odds say that I won't... the odds are at least as good I will be attacked in my life tho.   so.... you go around with a piece of nylon rubbing your neck raw your whole life.... living in fear of something that will probly never happen...  It is not inconvienient at all for me to take out a firearm when I am home or pack one in my baggage... I like the look of the things in any case.   Fear?   you are the one with the stupid seatbelt on.  seriously tho... do you think people should be allowed to choose to own a firearm or not?  

curval... your arguement would make sense if over half the people in the U.S. were black.   Let me ask you....

If whites were less than 17% of a population but commited more than half the crime.... would you maybe see some sort of trend there?   If most of the unsloved or crimes without any suspect at all were in white neighborhoods... would you expect that those unsolved crimes might be more likely to also be "white" crimes?

If I were a burglar and you came at me with a cricket paddle.... you would not need a back operation... After I inserted it... you would be standing very straight indeed.

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« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2005, 08:32:14 AM »
Oooooooo...lazs doing the tough talk on teh intardnet.

I'm not worried that you would be a burglar lazs...you are so white afterall.  Good Ayrians like yourself don't break into houses. :aok
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« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2005, 08:37:19 AM »
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Lazs....... you are truly one demented SOB.

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« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2005, 08:42:22 AM »
well.... curv... It appears that half of the criminals are white so It is possible..   It has also been my experiance that criminals are somewhat more violent and less moral that pink shorts wearing cricket paddle  weilders.

They think that talking and reason are good ways to stall said   paddle weilders while they or their bud flank said paddle wielders.

skywolf... thank you.

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« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2005, 09:11:03 AM »
Rolex strikes me as a very intelligent and wise person.   I've read this thread with the same sort of morbid fascination he has, but wasn't able to form such a stunning conclusion.

Kev's words keep sticking out in my mind:
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The other side of the coin is...it just as easily could have been a real intruder that would have been armed.


Or Laz:
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I don't wear a sissy and useless seatbelt most of the time.. I have never been in a wreck where I needed one and the odds say that I won't... the odds are at least as good I will be attacked in my life tho.


The belief that there is a 50% likelyhood that an unknown person behind a door in your home is an armed intruder, or the notion that statistical analysis would bear out the chances of you being the victim of a violent crime are equal to those of being in a serious car accident.    These conclusions seem completely delusional to me.    Or do you guys really live in such violent and lawless circumstances that your beliefs are actually well-founded?   If so, I have to echo Rolex--  that just sucks.   What a sorry indication on the state of our country.

I'm very relieved Kev's son and friend weren't hurt in the incident, however rightly or wrongly we think it played out.    And as a disclaimers, in the main I support gun owner's rights, and in general I choose not to wear a seatbelt.  I also thought Widewing's post was well-thought out and rational.

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« Reply #67 on: October 18, 2005, 01:17:43 PM »
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Dedalos, bottom line is I dont have a gun to protect my VCR. I have it to protect my family and our lives. Not just against home invasion there are more reasons than need to be discussed here.  I dont want to turn this into a gun control thread that gets locked. It is about a choice that sometimes people have to make. I was looking for input on the choice I made and have appreciated all comments including yours Dedalos, thanks!



Gun control?  lol.  I have nothing against guns.  I've been around them since I was a baby.  However, they were for hunting and shooting at targets.  There were never a mention of the gun being there to protect anyone.  Thats the point I was trying to make and was not referring just to you, but people in general.  How many of the posters in this thread ever had to use one to save their lifes or know of anyone that did?  How many know of someone that killed a loved one or came close to?

If that was an intruder and was there to just steal and run, confornting him with a gun would have forced him to use his.  This can be argued over and over and over and no one will ever agree.  

One thing that tells a lot about our society is that our reaction to property being stolen is to kill.  Really, I think it is the fact that at that point we think we have the right to kill and that we will get away with it that makes us want a gun for protection.  Not peper spray, taser, or what ever else.  We have the oportunity to kill and we are willing to take it.  Just make sure when the time comes that you don't blink, cause if you have to wait a scond to ID your son, the boogyman will get you. so kick the door down, shoot first, and ask questions latter and hope it was not your day.

PS.  By you, I mean the reader.  Not you kev  
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« Reply #68 on: October 18, 2005, 02:26:52 PM »
ded... I wouldn't shoot someone over them trying to steal my property (so far anyhow)... I would shoot them because of the threat that someone who would have such a morals as to break into my home... the threat he represents.   If he has no compunction about breaking into my home.... what might he be willing to do to take my property or to escape without getting caught?

When someone has broken into your home... what is his state of mind?   Where does he draw the line?   You don't know... you do know that he has gone farther than you ever expected anyone to go.... It is a comfort to know that you have a tool that could negate further antisocial acts form him.  

In most cases... him simply knowing that you have a firearm will modify his behavior to your benifiet.

chain saws are dangerous but if you need a tree cut down you use a chainsaw.... carefully.

oboe... I believe that the numbers in some areas say that you have something like a 1 in three chance of being a victim of a violent crime like robbery, rape, burglary etc. in your lifetime.... I believe that getting into a wreck where a seatbelt would save you is about the same number.  I could be foggy on this tho and will bow to any real data that somone dredges up.

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« Reply #69 on: October 18, 2005, 06:57:42 PM »
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And as for the dog, lol, Its 0139 and Im still awake. I have to go to work in 3 1/2 hours. I dont sleep. Until either I die or start taking drugs I will be the watchdog. accept tonight Im traveling for work in a hotel 1000 miles away from home. So the dog is all they have besides the guns. Hopefully the training my wife and kids have had with what to do in this situation would save them. Im sure not going to lose sleep over it, my daughter can knock a man down 10 outof 10 times at 10 yards. shes a good shot :aok


Well, everything worked out ok and that's the most important factor.

As to useless watchdogs... I had a Siberian Husky. Those pale blue eyes would scare the bejesus out of people. Yet, she was a sucker for attention and loved everyone. Her only vice was an utter lack of respect for other dogs. If a strange dog failed to show proper courtesy, she morphed into a 60 pound buzzsaw.

When my oldest daughter was 13 (now 21), she was walking the Husky on its leash. A neighbor had a rough and tumble pit bull-lab mix named Jack. This dog had already bitten two people and was one more bite from being put down. His owner was still careless, allowing the dog to run in the yard instead of chaining him to a post. Apparently, their kids left the gate open, because as my daughter walked past their house Jack flew out of the yard, heading straight for her. I was raking leaves in the backyard and saw the whole thing unfold. As the dog neared my kid, I saw a flash of color and Jack went flying through the air like he had been hit by a truck. In a blink, the Husky had him by the neck and tossed the 50 pound dog around like a limp noodle. She finally let loose and Jack lay spawled in the road for a minute or so (meanwhile, I had jumped the fence and was sprinting to them). He then staggered to his feet and wobbled back to his yard, bleeding profusely from the neck and head. One of his ears was badly ripped. Aside from being stained with the other dog's blood, the Husky was untouched, as was my daughter.

I went over and rang their doorbell. I explained to the husband what had happened and he immediately loaded Jack into the car and drove him to the vet.

For all the fierceness of that Husky, she was totally useless as a watchdog. She never barked and would gladly allow a burgler to enter, as long as he stopped to rub her ears.

Jack remained in the animal hospital for several days and ran up a substantial bill. After he picked up the dog, he stopped by to show me the $1,400+ bill. He had the audacity to ask that I pay for the dog's care. If I wasn't so damned angry I might have laughed in his face. I reminded him that his dog was running loose and had a history of being aggressive. My dog, on the other hand, was on a leash. "Sorry pal, but the liability is all yours."

I found the Husky in the Southampton Animal Shelter, where she was serving time for killing a small doe. She was "apprehended" dragging the dead deer down the road by its broken neck. Huskies are hell on wheels for deer. While the deer is faster in a sprint, the Husky is genetically programmed to run all day. They will eventually run the deer into the ground.

Anyway, the shelter manager told me she had also killed about a dozen chickens. Hmm, I thought; "my kind of dog". They told me that despite her wild side, she simply loved people and she licked my face like I was a long-lost uncle. I took her to a groomer directly from the shelter as she was far too dirty for the house. Not only was she gentle with the lady, she carried on like a complete whimp, whining and yelping when the girl tried to clip her nails/claws. My girls loved the dog and she loved them back, being extremely protective.

We lived in the middle of several thousand acres of pine barrens (eastern-central Long Island). I would take her out to hunt rabbit. She did the hunting, I merely watched. Never did one get away once flushed from its hide.

So, we had no fear of home invasions by rabbits, deer or dogs. However, a mass murderer was perfectly welcome, especially if he brought a chewstick.

(Edit) I forgot to mention that about a year later Jack bit a young boy who lived down the road. A judge ordered him put down.

My regards,

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« Reply #70 on: October 18, 2005, 07:35:47 PM »
The judge should have also had the owner charged with assault. Carelessness with a dog is jsut as bad with a gun. As for protecting your house and loved ones guns arent always the right wepon. I ALWAYS have my knife on or near me.
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« Reply #71 on: October 18, 2005, 07:55:20 PM »
Cool story Widewing.  :aok
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« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2005, 08:19:45 AM »
Not a dog lover.  any dog will do tho... better to have a little dog that sleeps in the room and is hyper vigilant.   all the dog needs to do is wake me up... I can take care of the rest.

I had a boxer.  they are very gentle dogs(except with other dogs).  It only growled once and it was not a false alarm.   but..

Took care of that dog for 14 years... talk about your inconvienence... kids are less trouble.   I can't imagine anyone who would take care of a dog saying that guns are difficult to own... it is laughable.

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« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2005, 12:43:14 PM »
Huskys are beautiful dogs IMO.  Although that dog Jack was a pit-bull mix and not pure, it still seems pretty impressive to me for a Husky to be able to take one on like that.  I won't be able to own any dog for the forseeable future, but fortunately almost everyone on my street has at least one dog.  It's funny because you can tell whether someone is walking up or down the street by listening for who's dog goes off first.  Eventually all the dogs on the street are barking - makes for a great warning that someone strange is on our street, or someone is walking their dog.   Some of the neighbors dogs still bark at the other neighbors as they walk by.  Neighbor on my right has a little pomeranian-chihuahua mix that still comes up to their screen door and growls at me while I'm doing yard work after more than a year living next door.  No complaints from me though, a former city condominium dweller.