here it comes...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Nifty
Ping, Hawk...

what is your solution (or approach) to the Iraq problem?  What should we do if not go to war?

Leave them alone, remove embargos.

[Ping]

Anti American?..NO. I have american relatives. I like the people.
I DETEST the American Governments Hypocrisy.

WWI Americans used Gas and Nerve agents along witht the rest of the world. WWII The Firebombing was Mass destruction and if you dont want to use that then just figure 2 Atom Bombs.
The UN and other Nations are working toward a diplomatic solution as we speak but it is the Bush Administrations goal to go in irregardless.
Iraq at this time is not at a threat.
UN Inspectors want more time but Bush is against this.

[Ping]

I absolutely detest a governments using violations of UN resolutions and terrorist activities as an excuse to go after 1 nation while at the same time allowing itself and its allies to do the same thing they claim the other is guilty of.

Easy enough to understand?
Got to go..will be back to face the inquisition later.

[weazel]

Chemical Warfare Agents

"Nerve agents are the most lethal of all chemical agents.  In the open, six pounds of sarin, disseminated by a three-pound burster charge at a height of 15 feet, would create a dosage of 3500 mg min/m3.  20 yards from the burst site within 10 seconds (the airborne exposure limit [AEL] for sarin is 0.0001 mg min-m3).

Within 25 seconds, the plume would increase to a 50-yard radius, with a minimum dosage of 100 mg min/m3.  In less than a minute of the blast, anyone within an area of over 70,000 square feet around the burst will have received at very least a medical lethal dose, and likely much more than that.

 If the blast occurred indoors, the effects would be much greater.  Nerve agent VX is 10 times more toxic than sarin, and would result in even more lethality."

IIRC about 8 seconds is the amount of time it takes to remove your protective mask from its carrying pouch and put it on clear it, and test the face to mask seal.

But that just protects your lungs, I will guess it would take at least 2 minutes to shuck your ruck-sack,  remove the packages holding your MOPP suit, gloves, and booties, tear them open and put them on.

During this two minutes if your skin is exposed to nerve agent kiss your bellybutton goodbye... the only difference is you will take much longer to die than if you inhaled it.

You neo-conservatives seem to think cheap gas is worth American boys dying horribly....if I had a wish it would be that everyone of you could go experience it first hand, I bet you would be singing a different tune then.

[Nifty]

Ping, that's the why you feel that way.  If you were replying directly to me, I wanted to know your alternative.  Look forward to reading it later.  

Boroda, an honest answer.  Thanks!  Not sure I agree with it though, depends on if the UN believes Iraq is in breach of the mandates laid out by the UN.  If so, I don't think removing embargoes (which is a reward) is the right thing to do.  That sends the message of "don't worry about what we say, we'll eventually remove the sanctions regardless if you follow the rules or not."

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by Boroda
Did I say something about Afghanistan? Russian "scam of a websight"? Maybe you saw http://www.kavkaz.org? Soviet Army lost 13500 people in 10 years, against partizans equiped and fed by the USA. I doubt that limited operations by US troops will reach 1350 people lost every year.

If you don't understand what I mean - I am damn sure your last sentence isn't true.

Any comments regarding my other thoughts? Or you agree that they make sence?

Boroda are you saying that the 40th Army losses in Afganistan are not the 28,900 KIA as reported by the Russian General Staff Study headed by Colonel Professor Valentin Runov?

[Boroda]

If you want to have cheap gas - wait until inspections are over, and then vote for removing sanctions in the UN.

Some things to think about. Hussein is vital to the stability in Middle East. If he's removed - it will result in Kurd uprising in Iraq, Turkey, Jordan and Iran. You need another 20 years long war there? You need a Kurdish state there? Believe me, Hussein will look like an angel compared to Kurdish state. (I have deep respect to Kurds fighting for their national independance, but their methods are too similiar to Chechens, if you understand what I mean).

Next. What I heard in Russian pro-western media. They said that Russia can withdraw from UN sanctions any time, and it will not violate any UN resolutions. I am not a specialist in UN politics, so I just repeat what our "liberals" say. Iraq owes us several billions, and can't pay it's debt because of sanctions. OTOH - if the sanctions will be removed, the oil prices will immediately go down, and it can kill what is by some strange mistake still called "Russian economics".

It's all too complicated for me to understand, but what I am definetly against is an outright agression against soverign nation prepared by some looney amazinhunks in Washington. It can be a dangerous precedent. If we'll sit on our bellybutton as we did when NATO bandits bombed Yugoslavia to protect terrorist drug-dealing gangsters in 1999 - any country can become their next target. Want to hear air-raid warning sirens in your home city?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ygsmilo
Boroda are you saying that the 40th Army losses in Afganistan are not the 28,900 KIA as reported by the Russian General Staff Study headed by Colonel Professor Valentin Runov?

Yes, I am going to say that official number, still considered extremely presice, is 13500 KIA from 27.12.1979 to 15.02.1989.

Edit: after a brief search I have found an exact number of 40th Army losses: 13833 men.

[whgates3]

Originally posted by DrDea/Kvorkian
I thank God that we didnt have all this "Anti war toejam" going on in WW2....

we did, mainly from the right wing (conservative isolationists, nazi supporting businessmen [like a certain mr prescott], businessmen who thought they could make more $ selling to both sides, people who thought the war would be economicly damaging & some who thought it was immoral). these types burned in effigy senator pepper (just talk about burning a president these days & you get 3 years in the big house, back then they could actually pretend they were doing the real thing...then again we have virtual kiddie porn) who started lend-lease. thats why US wasn't in 1st 2¼ years of the war - if japan hadn't drawn US in then who knows how much longer it would have been...case was very similar in WWI

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

...and to think, if he had simply complied with the UN and it's inspectors and allowed them unrestricted access ELEVEN years ago, he wouldn't be in the mess he's in right now.

If he didn't have something to hide, then why would he threaten UN inspectors with death threats, keep them from entering areas, and give them the run around for ELEVEN years?

He's had plenty of time to comply and if he had done that, his country would be in far better shape than it is now...

He's evil and because of him, his own people are starving.
-SW

[Ping]

Nifty: I think that the US should step back and allow the UN inspectors do their job, and then allow the UN to decide if war is needed.
Russia is stepping in to Work the diplomatic scene and France wants another UN meeting on war if need arises. Other countries are working the issue as well.
If its war thats required than so be it. But to base it upon lies and deceit ? I have more respect for life than that.
Even the countries in the area with the most to lose dont really want the US to invade.

Thats it in a nutshell

[Ping]

AKS, I suggest you look at that UN report I cited before you say it is Saddam who is starving his own people.
It is economic warfare being waged against Iraq trying to force him from power.