Author Topic: Lord dorf vader.... You said. (Read 878 times)

Toad · « **Reply #30 on:** March 04, 2003, 11:32:45 PM »

Maybe the AF was a lot different. Don't know. I do know several of the enlisted guys I knew in my Wing have done very well in private life and don't regret their AF days one bit.

As for needing more of one and less of the other... you aren't really going to tell me any big biz or corporation is any different, are ya?

I hate it when beer goes up my nose, so don't, pleeeeze.

Dnil · « **Reply #31 on:** March 04, 2003, 11:35:18 PM »

former enlisted here, disabled veteran due to a "training" incident. It could have easily be avoided and 2 officers didnt follow the regs. People investigating it knew they didnt follow the regs also. I hold no ill feelings towards them or the military. I am greatful for the opportunity to serve.

I volunteered. I wanted nothing other then to serve and see the world. I made a ton of good friends, even the officers in charge during my accident. Its all what you put into it.

Hangtime · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2003, 11:40:26 PM »

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As for needing more of one and less of the other... you aren't really going to tell me any big biz or corporation is any different, are ya?

Lord no.

fd ski · « **Reply #33 on:** March 05, 2003, 10:21:05 AM »

well Toad, enlisted Navy here, so it must be rather different.
Upper echolons of enlisted structure in the unit i've served in were populated by the lifers Hang refers to. Usually people with no education or skills other then long time served. They are self absorbed click bent on harrasing anyone not following their way of thinking, and i'm not refering to the duty itself.

During my 4 years whenever we were back at field ( Cecil Field ) i've taken number of college classes, trying to better myself and all. On top of that i was competent with computers and i had audiacity to actually read publications other then Husler and Little Sluts. That quickly earned me the opinion of one who "thinks he's better then others" and just about every toejam job that could be thrown at me.
I managed to get advanced despite toejam evals i was given. On me "penitalty" assignments as an E4 i usually ended up doing E6s or E7s jobs ( Aviation supply corps ) with distinction. Didn't metter. I didn't go golfing with master chief, didn't chew tabaco, and couldn't talk about football average of some running back somewhere out there. That made me a nice fat target.

I got what i wanted from the service time. I bettered myself and learned things about myself. However, i would be a moron to stay longer then 4 years, cause learning stopped after first year.
Only lesson i've learned past that was what they thought me. I was indeed better then them.

It was a joy to go back to florida 2 years after getting out as an an E4 and let some friends in the squadron know my current salary. I knew it would get to few of the "old click" and would royally piss them off

I just might go shopping in Winn Dixie one of those days see if i can meet my Master Chief at that cashier post he'll be working once he retires...

Yeah, i'm tad sour. It was good, it was bad. Your definition of "you get what you put in" is only true if you are a confirmist and willing to play by "thier" rules and subscribe to all they do and say, even if it goes against your own integrity.

Toad · « **Reply #34 on:** March 05, 2003, 10:26:30 AM »

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During my 4 years whenever we were back at field ( Cecil Field ) i've taken number of college classes, trying to better myself and all.

Well, Ski.... you did better yourself and all, didn't you? And doesn't the military, unlike a lot of civil jobs, encourage higher education and make small allowances so that you can do so? I mean on my base, there was an office for continuing education that you could go to and they'd HELP you further your education.

I think you DID get out of it what you wanted and what you put into it.

If you'd have been one of the "non-improvement" types just killing time waiting to get out and not taking the opportunity for education and experience in computers.....

midnight Target · « **Reply #35 on:** March 05, 2003, 10:30:29 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why is this ranting?

How would you liberals react if somebody did actually did make a reference like that about blacks? I know you MT, with your black sons would be the first to lead the attack. toejam just look at the instan liberal fear reaction at me even bringing the concept up?

But its ok to make derogatory references towards "lying white man"....

I just wasn't in the mood to get preachy Grun, but you are absolutely right. I would have said something, and I should have said something.

AKIron · « **Reply #36 on:** March 05, 2003, 10:41:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Maybe the AF was a lot different. Don't know. I do know several of the enlisted guys I knew in my Wing have done very well in private life and don't regret their AF days one bit.

Add me to your list. I can't say that some don't have legitimate complaints against the military but I can say I knew many that weren't happy unless they were complaining (of course they weren't happy if they were either).

Dnil · « **Reply #37 on:** March 05, 2003, 11:17:09 AM »

its the military of course you play by their rules....sounds like someone shouldnt have joined.

fd ski · « **Reply #38 on:** March 05, 2003, 01:24:09 PM »

Toad, USNavy enourages it, i absolutely agree. However if your E9 makes a point to make your life miserable to discourage you, because he considers you using that opportunity to be "elitist", is whole another story.

Dnil, there is a fine line between the military rules and social behaviours of those inside it. If you fail to see it, i dount that you'll understand.

By the same token i guess those females in Air Force Academy should have just spread them wide and "play by the rules" right ?

Dnil · « **Reply #39 on:** March 05, 2003, 06:54:51 PM »

so rape only happens in the military? if you acted in the military like you do in your posts, no wonder you were singled out for an "attitude" adjustment. You cant be your own person in the military, if you do people die. Don't join if you want to be an individual, thats not what its about.

I only have a problem with you taking shots at the military like its the only place with these problems....its called life it happens everywhere.

fd ski · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2003, 08:26:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
so rape only happens in the military? if you acted in the military like you do in your posts, no wonder you were singled out for an "attitude" adjustment. You cant be your own person in the military, if you do people die. Don't join if you want to be an individual, thats not what its about.

I only have a problem with you taking shots at the military like its the only place with these problems....its called life it happens everywhere.

You're selectively reading my posts. This one is on military, hence i'm critiquing. Would you like me to discuss the latest Broadway play here or something ?

No, rape doesn't happend in the milirary but just because it happends outside doesn't make it allright inside. Wouldn't you agree ?

Yes, you can be your own person in the military. There is the duty, and you can't be your own person when it comes to duty. However, you're confusing duty and harrasment. Two are not going pair in pair. The idea that higher ranked person should be able to do anything to the lower ranked one in the name of tradition and "preserving of chain of command" and duty is BS, and you know it.

If you don't agree please remind me what were you supposed to do when your own superior was blankly violating rules and regulations of the service in front of you ?
Follow along or question it ?