SquadOps Sunday frame 3 - AARs

[funkedup]

As you stated funkedup the way to handle this is to express your concern either on open channel or privately and then post on the BBS or email myself (ghostdancer@hitechcreations.com) or flossy (flossy@hitechcreations.com) if you are really upset.

Yep.  I will try hard to make sure my guys stick to that.

What I am not happy about is the lack of civility I saw by several people in the event toward the end.

For a while, the CMs had a policy of ejecting guys like that, which I support.
I don't let my guys do that, and if they do it when I am not there, I need to know about it at funkedup at raf303 dot org.

[Dinger]

Sorry pyroman;
the point of that little logical exercise was that, in the mudslinging, I felt my point, and the points of others was getting lost in a confusion over terms (a setup CM that administrates the frame; an admin CM that doesn't).
The model isn't "4 CMs", but rather 4 different times for cming.  If you look up there, you'll see I state:

The same person often fills many of these roles.

And if you look at what Ghostdancer's division is, it effectively assigns duties A and D to the "Admin CM" and B and C to the "Setup CM".

[funkedup]

Dinger read our Wing Command forum please before any further posts.

[ghostdancer]

funkedup actually the CMs still have a policy of ejecting people for behavior like that or muting them. However, it all comes down to the individual CM. Some of us our more strict and no nonsense than others.

Pyroman would have been in his rights to mute or eject the ones that really got on his case. He tried to reason with them and to direct them to the BBS, etc.

My gut feeling is that next time he will be less lenient, which is a shame.

[sling322]

I am probably out of line jumping in here this late and making any type of comment, but I am gonna do it anyway.

It seems to me that this whole ordeal springs from squads being assigned targets that were way too far away from the starting point.  As a frame CO, when you are given your assignments, if you can see that they are impossible, why not go back to the Admin guy and tell him so.  Maybe the COs being chosen arent looking at their objectives ahead of time to see if they are doable.  I am sure that had this been brought to Gremlin's attention, he would have been able to adjust the targets accordingly.  So, some of the blame here has to lie with the side COs.

As far as pinning down the Setup guy with questions and such about whats going on....that just dont fly with me.  Many times, I have no idea what the objectives are for each side when I do setup.  In fact, I dont want to know.  Its just better that way for me.  So if anyone has a problem with the event design, I have no problem telling them to ask somebody else.  I am just the guy with the keys to the arena.  I come in and turn on the lights and set it up and I close it up and turn off the lights afterwards.  

And just me personally, when I tell you that there are 15 mins left and its time to RTB....you damn well better start doing so.  I dont get paid overtime to hold the logs open for folks who dont understand what a 2 hour event is.  But thats just me.

[ViFF]

You're kidding right ?  cause otherwise I think what you are saying is very inflamatory, and irresponsible.

Dumping the responsibility of recognising an incorrect design on the CO's is bull****.
The CM organisation doesn't have a system in place for "quality control" of the designs it creates.
The orders I recieved were so cut & dry (i.e.  here are your targets, heres where you launch from, heres what a/c you use -good luck!) that I needed to get in touch twice with the design CM to understand what was going on other then the few dry facts I was given.
When something goes wrong you just can't dump it on the CO's,  thats bad PR. Keep doing it and you'll find yourself without any COs or squads.

While you volunteer and take the time to do the job as CM, other people volunteer to do the job of CO. Going that extra mile for your game colleagues is truly appreciatted, but it doesn't give you the right for a "holier then thou" attitude.

[Flossy]

Alright, this has gone on long enough, and I am calling a halt to it.  Nobody is infallible and I think some valuable lessons have been learned all around, but now we are just going in circles and getting nowhere.

I will not tolerate having my staff treated in this way a moment longer.  They do this job in their own time to give you, the players, something a bit different from the MA to participate in.  They are not here to be insulted because things didn't quite work out in an event.  If this sort of behaviour continues we will have to seriously reconsider the future of the Sunday SquadOps!  I am sure nobody wants to see them disappear, so I am asking you all now to cease and desist from any further insulting posts.

Enough is enough!  The subject is closed.