Author Topic: American favoritism towards Israel and George Washington's farewell speech  (Read 352 times)

Offline Karnak

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I was reading through some old speeches and a section of George Washington's farewell speech from 1796 stood out to me and seemed very relevant to our modern situation.  I have posted the relevant section (IMHO) and bolded the section that particularly jumped out at me.

Do you think that Washington is correct?  Was his advice well given and poorly taken?

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From George Washington's farewell speech in 1796:

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.


Here is the text of the whole speech in case you differ on what is, and is not, relevant from his speech:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm
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Offline Frogm4n

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we are slaves to the Saudi's.

Offline Karnak

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Them too, but I don't see many (any) US citizens bending over backwards to defend Saudi Arabia's "goodness", so that part of his speech is not relevant to Saudi Arabia.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2003, 11:58:28 PM by Karnak »
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Offline Toad

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Yep, I agreed with GW the first time I read that address. Said so in a thread long before this one

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?

 but the earlier thread seems to be long gone.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2003, 02:21:06 AM »
i was looking through some old speeches and came across one by caesar to his troops before he invaded gaul, but it's in latin so i don't know what he said , but i'm sure its something inspiring and motivating.

Offline _Schadenfreude_

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American favoritism towards Israel and George Washington's farewell speech
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2003, 05:08:56 AM »
mmm Old George knew what he was talking about - I've often wondered about the American - Israeli thing - I mean what does America get out of the deal?

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2003, 05:18:21 AM »
Didnt you know that America is run by Jews?
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2003, 06:21:22 AM »
Always wondered about the whole economic conspiracy thing - if our Jewish friends are so good at economics why the hell is the Israeli economy going down the toilet?

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2003, 08:18:58 AM »
do any of you actually know how it is to be a JEW surrounded by people devoted to either killing you or thinking your worth as much as a piece of ****.....


11 million Jews around the world....(appr.)

300 million Arabs around the world....(appr.)

so....go figure why the States like Israel.

its certainly NOT cause of the JEW factor.....its actually BECAUSE the JEW is the UNDERDOG.....

It was an Athiestic Arab who actaully made me understand that....

go figure....an Arab telling me the JEW is right in defending himself with the support of the US....

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2003, 08:22:52 AM »
The Arabs are in no way a threat to Israel. It's simply redikulusness.

The US helping Israel is simply an evil American plot to get Israeli oil... or something. Or maybe we help Israel to get Arab oil! Yeah.. that's it!
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