doomie... I am not talking about high yo yos or turns at certain speeds or even roll rates. I am talking about the "documents" somewhere in your house that you couldn't find, that showed testing of a 190A4 and a spit 5 that proved that the 190 could out turn and outclimb the spit at any speed. When asked to produce it or just tell us the source and we would get it for you...