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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2003, 02:00:48 PM »
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Haven't read all posts, but what i have read im suprised no one has mentioned Russia's involvement in the manchuria campaign.  This was also one of the reason's that japan surrendered apparently.

 


I believe the Soviets began that campaign after the first bomb was dropped, no?  And, it wasn't mainland Japan, so I highly doubt that would have been a deciding factor. The U.S. was a much bigger threat parked offshore at Okinawa!:eek:

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« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2003, 02:37:40 PM »
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The man decides that smashing the burglar's knees with a sledgehammer will in the end save more effort and damage than tying him down until


Lets continue the scenario to the realistic ending:

Several weeks later, the man is served a summons whereupon he is stunned to discover the burglar is now suing him for infliction of grevious injuries and violation of his civil rights.  In discussing the case with his newly hired lawyer (at great cost), his lawyer tells the man that if he had killed the burglar, he would not have been prosecuted as he was acting in self-defense protecting his life, family and property, and there would be no lawsuit.  BUT, because he left the burglar alive, he must now defend himself from this lawsuit that quite probably will cost him a tremendous amount of money and possibly cause the loss of his home.

So, if we want to apply Animals stupid methaphor to Japan and the end of the war, maybe we should have nuked them into oblivion leaving not one soul alive on the Japanese mainland?

Good point Animal, but a little to drastic.


Another point Animal:

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Oh, I am sorry. I must have misread the part when some people where claiming the Enola Gay was the plane that saved most lives in history;even above the DC3/UH1/U2/etc.


Like another person responding to this thread, you seem to suffer a comprehension issue, this thread was about one single particular aircraft, the Enola Gay, not about a series or model of aircraft.  It is not about B29s, it is about the Enola Gay.  Which particular DC3, UH1, etc were you thinking about?

Now go watch your Susan Sarandon and Alex Baldwin movies.


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« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2003, 05:26:42 PM »
didnt read all theses posts..but..

i got a signed book from a guy who was a b-24 pilot...got shot down over japan doing a extremly wasteful bom run--horrible targte to hit--

he became a pow in nagasaki...one day he was being interegated in a near by city...his crew died in pow camp in nagaskai...

he said the only thing he was really pissed about was that the us gov did not aknowledge they knew there was american pows in the camp at that time..

but he defntly agreed that it saved hundreds of thousand s of men women and childrens lives...

one of his crew men was still alive after the bom...the japs tied him to a bridge w/ a sign that said"i kill your family- please throw stones at me"

he was stoned to death as ech jap walked by.....

you know what..America and her Allies...except russia..were not even half as brutal and outrigth savage as japan-germany was....i hate them for tht sht..i will never forget...
makes me want to bom them.... especailly the way germany has been acting now..


Please read the book if you can..its pretty short....

He lives near my sister in Moab, Utah..

"A Date With Lonesome Lady - A Hiroshima POW returns"  ...title of his book..and name of his b-24..

Lt. T.C. Cartwright  Us Army Air Force

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« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2003, 05:42:26 PM »
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Now go watch your Susan Sarandon and Alex Baldwin movies.


OUCH!!!!!!!!!  ;)
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« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2003, 06:42:51 PM »
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Please stop referring to "Japs" when you're talking about the Japanese. It is not neccessary.



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« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2003, 06:48:31 PM »
Well thank the lord we have Puke here to tell us all what is offensive and what isn't.






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« Reply #96 on: August 20, 2003, 06:48:39 PM »
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Please stop referring to "Japs" when you're talking about the Japanese. It is not neccessary.


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« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2003, 07:01:10 PM »
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Well thank the lord we have Puke here to tell us all what is offensive and what isn't.  




Nanking, China.  Over 200,000 Chinese men used for bayonet practice, machine gunned, or set on fire.  Thousands more were murdered.  20,000 women and girls were raped, killed or mutilated.  The
massacre of a quarter million people was an intentional policy to force China to make peace. It did not happen.  World opinion, which until this time had accepted modern Japan's desire to oversee backward China, was repelled in horror.

New officers indoctrinated to the expectations of war by beheading Chinese captives. The last stage of the training of combat troops was to bayonet a living human and a trial of courage for the officers. Prisoners were blindfolded and tied to poles. Soldiers dashed forward to bayonet their target at the shout of "Charge!"

Combat medical units moved to China where live bodies were plentiful. If the class was in sutures, a chinaman was shot in the belly for doctors to practice; amputations, then arms were removed.

Bacterial warfare experiments conducted by an infamous medical unit moved to Manchuria. Bombs of anthrax and plague tested on Chinese cities until the results were so good that too many Japanese
soldiers also died. This unit also practiced vivisection. More details of unit 731 unit, along with Web citations for those with the stomach.

Malaya.  Japanese troops decapitated 200 wounded Australians and Indians left behind when Australian troops withdrew through the jungle from Muar.

Singapore. Japanese soldiers bayonet 300 patients and staff of Alexandra military hospital 9 Feb 1942.  British women had their hands behind their backs and repeatedly raped. All Chinese residents were interviewed and 5,000 selected for execution.

Wake Island.  A construction crew of 1,200 mostly Idaho youths, captured when Wake Island fell, were shipped to Japanese prison camps.  Five were beheaded to encourage good behavior. The Japanese
decided to keep 100 of the civilian contractors on the island to complete the airbase, which became functional by 1943 . When US Navy planes attacked the island, the Japanese commander executed the
civilians.

Dutch East Indies.  Those Dutch accused of resisting Japan or participating in the destruction of the oil refineries had arms or legs chopped off.   20,000 men were forced into the ocean and machine gunned.
20,000 women and children were repeatedly raped, then many were killed.

Dutch Borneo.  The entire white population of Balikpapan was executed.

Java.  The entire white male population of Tjepu was executed.  Women were raped. Survivors of USS Edsall (DD-219) are beheaded.

Philippines.  Any soldier captured before the surrender was executed. The Bataan Death March -- 7,000 surrendered men died. Those that could not keep up the pace were clubbed, stabbed, shot, beheaded or buried alive.
Once the prison camp had been reached, disease, malnutrition and brutality claimed up to 400 American and Filipinos -- each day.

Thailand.  15,000 military prisoners and 75,000 native laborers died building a railroad between Bangkok and Rangoon. Bridge Over the River Kwai.

Doolittle Raid, Japan.  Three of eight US airmen captured were executed. Doolittle Raid, China.  Twenty five thousand Chinese in villages through which the US flyers escaped were slaughtered in a three month reign of terror.

Midway.  Japanese destroyers rescued three U.S. naval aviators; after interrogation, all three were murdered.

Attu.  Japanese troops overran the medical aid station; after killing the doctors, they bayoneted the wounded.

Makin Atoll.  Nine of Carlson's Marine raiders were left behind, hid for two weeks and surrendered. They were beheaded a few weeks later when a ship was not available to take them to a prisoner of war camp.

Indian Ocean.  Capt Ariizumi, ComSubRon One, commanded submarine I-8 in the Indian Ocean. On March 26th, 1944, he collected from the water and massacred 98 unarmed survivors of the Dutch
merchantman Tjisalak he'd sunk south of Colombo. He repeated this performance with 96 prisoners from the American Jean Nicolet in the Maldives on July 2nd. He destroyed the lifeboats and dived, leaving 35 bound survivors on deck. 23 managed to untie their bonds and swim all night to be rescued by the Royal Indian Navy.  Capt Ariizumi committed hara-kiri while his squadron was being escorted to Yokosuka by the U.S. Navy. I-26 is also known to have rammed merchant lifeboats from Richard Hovey and machine-gunned those in the water.

3Aug45. Japanese hospital ship Tachibana searched by Charrette (DD-581) when observed throwing weighted bags overboard. Found thirty (30) tons of ammunition, mortors, and machine guns in Red Cross
boxes along with 1,500 soldiers released from hospital on Kai bound for Soerabaja.

Japan.  Eight US airmen were used for medical dissection at Kyushu Imperial University with organs removed while the prisoners were still alive.

Source :http://www.marshallnet.com/~manor/ww2/atrocity.html  

Many other sources are easily available to read, numerous books and websites documenting the brutal history of Japans actions in WWII.
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« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2003, 09:13:50 PM »
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