Nice Plane Suggestions

[Arlo]

The B-24 brings immersion. It was a major player in both the European and Pacific theaters. It was much more common than the B-17 in the Pacific. Running the Ploesti scenario without the B-24 is like running the BoB scenario without the Stuka or Ju-88.

Man ... I sure hate repeating myself but here I go again:

The main arena is no longer a factor when it comes to adding aircraft to Aces High. The main arena has all the aircraft it needs so it shouldn't even be a consideration anymore. Aircraft need to be added to the game to fill the gaps necessary to allow for historical setups without having to substitute a different model.

One more time, rephrased:

The main arena is no longer a practical factor when considering new models for Aces High. The main arena has pretty much all the uber models it needs and every side can fly any plane in the game. Now it's time to focus on historical setting gaps ... which has absolutely nothing to do with the main arena or how similar in role or ability one aircraft has with another. Especially if it involves an aircraft that served in a large capacity on all fronts.

Now if you're talking the B-29, it would affect the MA .. in one way and one way alone - it would become THE bomber everyone uses. And although it, too, is a major player in the Pacific, it basically represents the end of the war ... with an atom bomb as an exclamation point. So you see .. adding something different can take on a whole new connotation depending on what type of addition you're looking at. The B-24 adds immersion and fills historical gaps ... appealing to players who enjoy historical settings. The B-29 adds a plane that is significantly different than any bomber in the game ... and flew in the war serving a significant role ... yet it's value to Aces High is actually diminished by the major ability differences it possesses ... turning ability to liability.

Why do I bother?

[Karnak]

Arlo,

The Ki-84, good for the MA and good for scenarios.

There is at least one left to go.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Karnak
Arlo,

The Ki-84, good for the MA and good for scenarios.

There is at least one left to go.

Ok ... I agree ... there may be one or even two that would be worthwhile in the MA. But, as you said, it's also good for scenarios and the CT. I still say events need priority at this stage. The MA isn't "hurting" as much. And yes, it's probably a good thing to prioritize the IJ planeset if AH ever wants to throw the Pacific event players a bone. TOD is all fine and good but if it doesn't include a Pacific variant it's only half done imo.

[Hornet1]

Arlo,
I'm with you on the B-24, but would disagree with you on the B-29 becoming "the bomber" in the MA. When you look at the capabilies, it would have to be a perk bomber. Again you can add all of the late war Planes you want to this game, to keep it from getting crazy you would have to perk them. That's why everyone isn't flying 262's, Tempest...etc. Furball has a point. There are a lot of planes from other country's other than the U.S. and Great Britain that have been really over looked. Russia, Italy, and Germany being some of them. As the RunSpit (460 mph by the way), an La-11 would catch it at 466mph(Delivered summer of '45). The Mig -7 delivered in '43( over 440mph). Italy had some great fighters not too speedy, but I would fly any on them in a turning fight. Fiat G55, Re 2002, Re 2005. There's a lot of good aircraft that can be added that do not have to come from the US or Britain. Don't get me started on the bombers. That's is definately an area that needs improvement in this game. Anything will work if you use the perks correctly.  

[Furball]

Sorry arlo maybe i shoulda been more clear

Originally posted by Furball
In terms of gameplay (I meant in MA terms - where the vast majority of AH subscribers play), what would a B-24 bring to AH that isn't already here?  Its like adding a Halifax to supplement the Lancaster imo; both similar performance, bomb loads and defensive armament.  

I think we need more Axis bombers, such as a Heinkel He-111, or one of those smurfy italian planes people are always whining for and a soviet bomber (Pe-2). (This i was talking about thickening the planeset for scenario's etc.  As these countries are hardly even represented with attack/bomber aircraft.  And as such should have priority over another U.S bomber, after all we do have a B-17, B-26, A-20, SBD, TBM already)

[Furball]

Originally posted by Hornet1
As the RunSpit (460 mph by the way)

That is a Spiteful i mentioned

Supermarine Spiteful

Mark XIV - the type 371 was fitted with a Griffon 69 engine rated at 2,375 hp driving a 5 blade propeller. The top speed was 475 mph. 19 were built. Of these aircraft 1 was converted to a Mark XV and 2 were converted to Mark XVI.

Mark XV - Fitted with a Griffon 89 or 90 engine rated at 2,350 hp and driving two contra rotating three blade propellers. The one converted aircraft, RB520, was subsequently used in the development of the Seafang. Top speed was 483 mph.

Mark XVI - The two conversions from the Mark XIV, RB516 and RB518 were fitted with the Griffon 101 engine producing 2,420 hp and a top speed of 494 mph.  

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Furball
Sorry arlo maybe i shoulda been more clear

You were perfectly clear. The B-24 brings exactly the same thing the He-111 does. It fills a definate glaring omission in events. So what if 80% of the player base never ventures outa the MA. The MA is cooked. It's done. It's finished and up to full speed. It tastes great.  Anything new added is just more spice there. Order of new plane additions makes no difference whatsoever in the MA.

That's not saying the B-24 has to be on the top of the event addition list. But it's worthy of being somewhere on it. So is the Billy Mitchell.

Scenario/CT/TOD priority should be Japanese aircraft/Italian aircraft/Allied armor/German bombers/Russian bombers (this far down just because alot of Russian gaps can be filled with lend-lease)/U.S. planes.

The CT and scenarios aren't finished. They aren't done. It needs more filling.

[HavocTM]

I would just love other planes to be available for special events and scenarios.  It just isn't realistic when we sub a 262 for a meteor, even with a new paint job, etc.  

Immersion is right.

[simshell]

Arlo
 is right i mean what would the B25 level bombing version bring when we got  the B26
 in the main


but the B25 and like aircraft  would be well suited to Scenario's