Ackinawa

[Furball]

Ack is fuggin ridiculous.  and i mean RIDICULOUS.

Great fights last night tho after some squaddies and myself went fuel porking at every jap base to stop those pesky 163's ruining fun fights.

And if this "what if?" setup has non existant japanese jets and rocket fighters, why the hell do RAF not have Meteor?? (262)

[Rafe35]

Originally posted by Furball
Ack is fuggin ridiculous.  and i mean RIDICULOUS.

Great fights last night tho after some squaddies and myself went fuel porking at every jap base to stop those pesky 163's ruining fun fights.

And if this "what if?" setup has non existant japanese jets and rocket fighters, why the hell do RAF not have Meteor?? (262)

Dunno that If Meteor Jet would come to Pacific in "What If in 1946" and I only know two US jets would come 1946 if successfully working Jet fighter - Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and Bell P-59 Airecomet.

Rafe at work

[Arlo]

Because AH(I) doesn't have the ability to run multiple skins yet? Because the 262 is actually close enough to the Japanese Kikka to portray it (even though the theoretical "Karyu" was chosen instead because it was a more exact replica)? Because AH doesn't model the Meteor yet?

Those would be my three best guesses.

Using the Lala series reskinned as the Ki-84 or 100 was the first suggestion about offering a late war match-up that gave more latitude on both sides but it was dismissed as impractical.

But I'm glad you're having fun. I'm finding it very challenging and fun as well. I never thought of this design as a perfectly even setup anyhow.

And yes .... it has a helluvalot of rationalization involved in the premise but that's what you're stuck with when it's been decided to give the Japanese advanced technology while the game doesn't physically allow the same for the allies. Alas ....

[Grits]

As bad as I did in the 262 my only complaint so far is the hellacious Ack. Some of those CV groups have 4-6 CV's and the ack is just unreal.

[1Duke1]

hehehe....answer: Don't fly around the CV's................................................you vulcher;)

[Grits]

Yeah, good point.

Problem was, the ack was shooting at what seemed like much farther range than normal, but that could just be my imagination too.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Grits
Yeah, good point.

Problem was, the ack was shooting at what seemed like much farther range than normal, but that could just be my imagination too.

Ack and AAA is "moiderous" on both sides ... ship and shore. Yet one more element that provides a challenge.

I haven't dogfought in this from the cockpit of a "Shusui" (Sushi - hehe) yet ... so I'm not sure how challenging that is. The "Karyu" didn't seem like it was much of a challenge to use unless one gets caught up turning too much with the Hog or Temp (or anything, I suppose). Extend, reverse, HO pass. It still won't be a ride to rack up a dozen kills or more an hour in and some will probably complain about that.

All in all, I'd say mission accomplished. Here's a late war pac setup where the Japanese have absolutely no excuse to complain about blue planes (as long as they have perks or know how to fly a N1K right). All it needs is Allied pilots who like the challenge. I've seen quite a few.

[1Duke1]

Yeah, I hear ya on that.  Always seems no matter how high I fly, or how far away I stay, the ack always seems to find me.

Usually the same with enemy lead.....I think Slash has painted a big bullseye on the 6 of my plane...he always has this watermelon eating grin:D when I go fly....hmmmm

[Reschke]

AAA is set at .7 as usual. The only difference is that the terrain for Okinawa has 3 AAA positions for each single position around the bases.

[artik]

what if make 163 non-perked, increas hardness of fuel and set 262 as RAF Meteor - very limited?
Maybe put 163 on all IJN fleets



If someone needs the skin I have one.

[RTR]

How about we limit allied aircraft to P40's on land, and F4F only from carriers. Of course unperk the 262 and 163, and allow them to fly from any IJN field.

But to keep things fair, perk the F4F (first reset the perks though).

I like Pac set ups but.......Cya in a week.

(actually, to be fair, I like everything about this set up except the 163....It's a Tie Fighter and don't belong).

RTR

[Slash27]

First time its been ran RTR, Reschke it doing his best to fine tune it and hopefully it will be better as we go.






I think Slash has painted a big bullseye on the 6 of my plane

  It was Tzr, I just held the paint can:D


Problem was, the ack was shooting at what seemed like much farther range than normal, but that could just be my imagination too.      I ****ing hate AH chaseyoubehindmountainsthroug hatunnelunderneathyourbedinst antdeathflak.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by artik
what if make 163 non-perked, increas hardness of fuel and set 262 as RAF Meteor - very limited?
Maybe put 163 on all IJN fleets



If someone needs the skin I have one.

Artik ... this setup really isn't as "randomly designed" as you seem to think. It was actually researched as an alternate reality setup based on the premise of the Japanese aquiring the technology for and being able to produce in numbers Jet aircraft. And yes, this was done in lieu of other substitution suggestions for a late pac planeset that wouldn't overpower the IJ side (even with the N1K in it).

Unfortuantely Aces High does not model Allied jets (or post war aircraft of any kind). This, of course, is due to Aces High being centered around a WWII planeset (and let's face it, it doesn't even really have a complete set as far as that is concerned ... yet).

Of course, you are also suggesting substitutions to allow for greater leeway in CT settings, which I wouldn't dream of stopping anyone from doing. But the use of both the "Karyu" (or Kikka if you prefer) and "Shusui" in this setup actually do have some historical merit. And both planes subbed can accurately portray the aircraft they represent.

As it is, the 262 doesn't accurately portray th Meteor by a long shot. Of course ... having said that ... I've been told the same thing about my support of reskinning the Lala series to represent the Ki-84 or 100.

I suppose I'm just not an advocate of designing more jet vs jet setups in the CT until AH gets more jets modeled. And I fear that's not going to be an option for sometime, if ever.

[Furball]

No... 262 doesnt do justice to a 1946 meteor.

On the 7th September 1946 EE549 was flown into the record books at a recorded 615 mph by Group Captain Donaldson over a 3 km course, capturing the World Speed Record for Great Britain. In 1947 EE549 flew from Paris to London in 20 minutes, also capturing the speed record between these two cities. She is now fittingly preserved at the Tangmere Military Aviation Museum, near Chichester, West Sussex.

[artik]

Artik ... this setup really isn't as "randomly designed" as you seem to think.

Arlo, of course I don't think so. I do like the setup. It brings something different to CT. I just try to bring some more ideas.

Probably they allready have been discussed but I just tell my point of view - some "what if".

I suppose I'm just not an advocate of designing more jet vs jet setups in the CT until AH gets more jets modeled.

Yes you right - we need more jets - but that this point we don't have them.

But I disagree with you that it is impossible to build jet vs. jet setups.

Kadesh scenario had no big numbers but was defenetly fun and bring something new to AH. Most of people that flew jets vs jets in Kadesh were surprised of abilites of jet air combats.

I personally think that 262 can subsit Meteor in sertain setup. Finally players fly 163 and 262 not because of skin (even it makes sertain impression) but because of their advanteges.

The only thing I want to consentrate on it is:

One of Kadesh conclusions:
Prop planes has nothing to do in same sky with jets

That is very important. At one point in last setup I was just disappointed flying for USAAF because I just could not see any prop fighter. That does not heppen all the time but it heppens. It forced me on some point to move to IJN and fly Ki61.

And once more this is good setup because it is different - you fly planes you do not fly them usually.