Author Topic: What is a "Chickenhawk"? (Read 751 times)

kappa · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2004, 01:26:38 PM »

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Grun: But still it does bother me that he now positions himself the great war hero national security candidate when he has such a terrible voting record on defense. For example he voted to cut funding for the M1 Abrams tank, that would leave the army with the old steel armor M60 - a capable old tank but far less advanced with far less protection or speed...

But how much does his veteran status protect him from his outrageous voting record?

I have to agree with you on this last part.. I dont feel his vertern status should protect him from anything.. Well, nothing except his past services being attacked from would be character assasinations..
I'm afriad I must plead ignorance on kerry's voting record. I have read practically nothing on the man. I would offer one idea (not an excuse mind you), perhaps he voted not infavor of the M1 project due to some part of the process that he and his fellow peers were attempting to place under control.. i.e. spending.. Perhaps he thought it could have been done differently or with less money. Perhaps he didnt like the way the contract was given.. Who knows.. I only mean to say that I have a hard time believeing an individual placed in harms way would want to offer anything but the best if others from his country were to follow in his footsteps..

Toad · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2004, 01:55:37 PM »

Kerry's 19 Years in Senate Invite Scrutiny

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...But 20 years ago, in his first Senate campaign, Kerry talked a different language about national defense, denouncing President Ronald Reagan's military buildup and calling for cuts of about $50 billion in the Pentagon budget, including the cancellation of a long list of weapons systems, from the B-1 bomber to the Patriot antimissile system to F-14A, F-14D and F-15 fighter jets....

Kerry's 19-year record in the Senate includes thousands of votes, floor statements and debates, committee hearings and news conferences. That long paper trail shows that, on most issues, Kerry built a solidly liberal record, including support for abortion rights, gun control and environmental protection, and opposition to costly weapons programs, tax cuts for wealthy Americans and a 1996 federal law designed to discourage same-sex marriages.

There seems to be a trend on defense issues.

I'm sure we'll here lots more from both sides after the nominating process is finished.

rpm · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2004, 02:38:24 PM »

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Originally posted by kappa
links down rpm 8(

Sorry, my bad. Link is now up.

Stringer · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2004, 02:46:31 PM »

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Originally posted by kappa
due to some part of the process that he and his fellow peers were attempting to place under control.. i.e. spending.. Perhaps he thought it could have been done differently or with less money.

You mean like the Big Dig that took place in his home state??

ChickenHawk · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2004, 05:00:44 PM »

Dune is the only one who got it right.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2004, 05:31:15 PM »

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Originally posted by kappa
I have to agree with you on this last part.. I dont feel his vertern status should protect him from anything.. Well, nothing except his past services being attacked from would be character assasinations..
I'm afriad I must plead ignorance on kerry's voting record. I have read practically nothing on the man. I would offer one idea (not an excuse mind you), perhaps he voted not infavor of the M1 project due to some part of the process that he and his fellow peers were attempting to place under control.. i.e. spending.. Perhaps he thought it could have been done differently or with less money. Perhaps he didnt like the way the contract was given.. Who knows.. I only mean to say that I have a hard time believeing an individual placed in harms way would want to offer anything but the best if others from his country were to follow in his footsteps..

It might be plausible that he voted against some weaposn on account of budgeting or techical disagrments a few times, but his long term voting record shows a pretty consitent pattern that he pretty much voted against most all key weapons systems we use today. Look at toads post. Makes really hard to be a cedible defense candiate when that dense poilict exculdes major weapons.

Martlet · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2004, 08:21:16 PM »

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Is that like Bush sending soldiers to Iraqi without the best in body armor?

Ahhhh, is that like voting to send troops to Iraq and then voting against funding them when they're there?

Ooops, that's Kerry.

irritant · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2004, 09:09:02 PM »

LMAO...anyone take a good look at the deck of cards?